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Biddle
07-14-2008, 04:40 PM
Holy Crap. This guy is laying down dates and goals for getting us out of Iraq. 2009 Iraq police force is up and running. 2010 troops are pretty much out of Iraq. A sixteen month withdrawl. And he unequivocally states that we will not have a permanent military presence in the country.

As I’ve said many times, we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 — two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began. After this redeployment, a residual force in Iraq would perform limited missions: going after any remnants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, protecting American service members and, so long as the Iraqis make political progress, training Iraqi security forces. That would not be a precipitous withdrawal.

Wow.

This guy is taking on the issues that his opponent(s) have framed as weak points and un-patriotic and tackled them head on. I am really impressed by the control that he's taken of this whole process. It's like he's redifining the rules of engagement in an election, without waiting for the conscent of the opposition, leaving them to play catch-up all the time. That's a winning strategy. I love it.

Now, we just have to see how accountable he'll be for the promises he's offering...

Check out the entire Op-Ed piece from the NYTimes, here (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14obama.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin).

frankandbeans
07-22-2008, 10:51 AM
Ending the war is essential to meeting our broader strategic goals, starting in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the Taliban is resurgent and Al Qaeda has a safe haven.

I get scared to death every time I hear this guy mention Pakistan. I've got cousins and aunts and friends and countless relatives living there.

Also, it still boggles my mind how we can go in, fuck up a country, and then just want to be out of there without any concern to how things are over there afterward, which isn't what Barack is necessarily saying here, but which I hear a lot of, too, from people on both side of the political fence nowadays.

I know, I know, the Iraqi leadership on the other side "have had plenty of time to get back on their feet and are just squandering the help we give them, letting things get corrupt and chaotic". Seven years doesn't seem like an awful lot of time to get civilization up and running again, but then again, I don't know much about that because frankly, I try not to read the news about this thing.

Still, though. Just to hear so many of my fellow Americans constantly not give a fuck about people in another country at all and just view it primarily in their own terms is....saddening. Immensely saddening.

When will we learn that everyone else's blood on the planet earth is just as valuable as our own? :(

anyway, just a sidebar there. i'm still probably voting for barack.