PDA

View Full Version : Race & Religion


rdolan
03-18-2008, 05:51 AM
Hi-
I sent this email out to friends and family tonight. I thought I'd post it here as well.
Thanks,
Ryan

Hello Friends-

I am writing you on my own volition, because I feel a very important speech is taking place Tuesday in Philadelphia (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/us/politics/18wright.html?hp).

As some of you may know, I volunteer once or twice a week at Obama's HQ answering phones. The phone calls that come in run the gamut of crazy to supportive, from hateful to inspiring. I am sad to admit that I have talked to large number of people that call in that are incredibly misinformed about Mr. Obama's race, religion, and love of country. More importantly, I am exposed to the inherent, conscious and sub-conscious bigotry and intolerance that is alive and well in our country

None of us are perfect. We all have our biases and prejudices. I understand that.

In the past couple of weeks, these phone calls have been getting worse in my opinion as more and more slanderous emails and web sites attack Obama. Most recently, Fox News has released footage of Obama's pastor saying some inflammatory things about our country and its role with race and our country's incitement of hatred across the globe. This is no different that many on the far right, including Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, have said about our country and afterwards been embraced by our republican presidents to no outcry or protestation (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/17/wright/index.html). Some white people call in and are furious that Obama would worship under Rev. Wright. When I ask them if anything that Obama has ever said reflected in anyway what Rev. Wright has said, they answer "no," but they and their anger are not appeased.

Then they often ask me how I could sit there and answer phones for Obama, and why I support him. I tell them the truth. I talk about Mr. Obama's speech at the 2004 National Democratic Convention. When he said he "didn't see a 'Red America' or a 'Blue America," he only saw the United States of America," that hit home with me.

When I sit down at Thanksgiving, I tell people, I sit down with family members from a broad spectrum of idealogies and political persuasions. My family members are not my enemies. They are people who I love very much, and who love me back. We basically all want the same thing. We want a good education for ourselves and our kids, a good economy, affordable healthcare, affordable housing, etc. We might disagree about the best way to go about that, but we're all pursuing the same ends with fundamentally the same point of view: treat others as we like to be treated. I believe Obama understands this and it's a principle tenet in how he would run his administration and our country.

The United States is at a crossroads. After 8 years of terrible mis-management at home and abroad, this next election is extremely important in setting the direction of our country. In such an important time, our politicians should be elected on the basis of their ideas and ideals. Settling for the last candidate standing after a barrage of hate, slander, and attack politics as dictated and delivered to you by our mainstream press and every hack political web site, should not be an option for us. We should demand better. We need to demand better.

Barack Obama is giving a speech about race and religion tomorrow in Philadelphia. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/us/politics/18wright.html?hp) It doesn't have to change your mind about whether you like him or someone else for president. It does matter, however, because Obama should not lose because of bigotry and intolerance. If he does lose, it's should be because another candidate has proven to the American public that they are a better choice to lead our country out of these troubling times of war, recession, selfishness, and ignorance. This speech tomorrow, my gut feeling tells me, might very well be the most important speech he's given and one of the more important speeches of our lifetime. The speech won't solve everything by itself. The issues that it raises needs to be analyzed, discussed, and propagated by you intelligent folks. I hope you keep your eye out for news coverage of the speech, and/or a clip of it on youtube and the transcript of the speech.

I am sometimes asked by frustrated people that call in, supporters for Obama, what they could possibly do to counter all the negativity surrounding this election. I tell them that the fact they called the campaign is important. Passing a comment along to a campaign is important. Because the comments add up and people take notice and the candidate speaks because of those comments. I've seen it happen. Write or phone your politicians. Leave a comment after you read a news article on the web. Send an email to the DNC about Florida and Michigan or a platform you want democrats to address. Write the reporter at the New York Times or MSNBC or your local paper. You'd be surprised that sometimes they actually write back. They definitely read it.

Most importantly reach out to your friends and family members. Many of us come from places outside of Chicago or major metropolitan areas. We forget that people outside the city (not to mention in the city) often have different viewpoints on issues. It's important to open up these discussions and listen to each other. It's important to get our views out on the table and talk about what's right, what's wrong, and what we can do to make things better.

Thanks for taking the time to read this somewhat lengthy email. Take care.

Sincerely,
Ryan Dolan

hixx
03-18-2008, 03:43 PM
I am very much looking forward to this speech (great post by the way) and wish he was now not a half hour late!

But I will wait, yes I will wait.


Hixx

rdolan
03-18-2008, 04:45 PM
The speech was amazing and "unprecedented." I, or whomever gets to it first, will post it off youtube.

hixx
03-18-2008, 04:52 PM
You know what? He's freaking brilliant. Already the talking heads on WLS (don't ask me why I listen to republican am talk radio, but I do) and they're going on and on, playing Wright's speech AGAIN and in lieu of that beautiful speech, they all sounds like a bunch of racist buttheads.

The more we resist what he said, the more naive we sound.

I am drinking the kool aid, I hope to drink more kool aid, I love kool aid and I hope everyone else drinks the effing kool aid.

Hixx

robbersean
03-18-2008, 05:26 PM
I haven't watched it yet (and won't be able to till I go home) but I read the text, and it's a wonderful speech.

I'm impressed by someone in public life who is so willing to actively engage in conversation about these issues without automatically dismissing the views of everyone else who might be involved in said discussion.

rdolan
03-18-2008, 05:32 PM
You can find a transcript of the speech as prepared for delivery here. (http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2008/03/18/obama_speech/)

(You might have to sit through a 10 second ad to get to it.)

Chip
03-18-2008, 05:56 PM
Trib has the prepared version as well:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama-race-text,0,1500696.storylink

Biddle
03-18-2008, 06:30 PM
I just read that speech and it's amazing. I read excerpts to my co-worker and we were both amazed that he cut through the rhetoric and absolutely nailed the crucial issues at hand.

I walked away from that speech with a better appreciation for the perspective of white resentment. Something that I'd just accepted, but never understood until now.

I think that the country has an amazing opportunity right now to take control of the course of who we are and how we want to govern ourselves. I sincerely hope that happens.

Wow.

COB out...

stevescholz
03-18-2008, 07:45 PM
First, Ryan, thanks for starting this thread.

Second, the speech was terrific. The Stephanie Miller Show (mornings on WCPT 820 AM in Chicago) actually simulcast the whole thing, minus her commercial breaks and news break. I heard more of the speech there than on WBEZ, which didn't even start it until after 10:00 a.m.

Third, a co-worker of mine just said "well, Obama's got the educated liberal vote already....I wonder if this will play well elsewhere." I responded that Obama's authenticity is what will carry him. People may disagree with his words, they may even miss the entire speech. But his spirit of seeking the greater good for all continues to inspire people. And I believe his willingness to adress things head on will counter the fears and smears of others.

This speech shows, once again, how Obama continues to help empower us all.

Steve

moon_shoes
03-18-2008, 09:25 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4rel1_obama2_news

The embed code didnt work, but here is the link to the video!

rdolan
03-18-2008, 11:40 PM
The video and transcript can also be found here. (http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hisownwords)

Fenstermaker
03-18-2008, 11:49 PM
I love the Ashley story. I had forgotten about it and was thrilled to see/hear it again today.

speedymarie
03-19-2008, 04:46 AM
Amazing. He really got at the heart of this whole matter. He said a lot of things that have been left unsaid, that have been ignored by politicians across the board.

My mom is still supporting Clinton. I'm going to send her this right now.

Ldub
03-19-2008, 02:07 PM
My mom is still supporting Clinton. I'm going to send her this right now.

My family still supports Bush and loves McCain so I'll send this to them a few times.

An amazing speech; he really opened up about beliefs. I repect that and I think we need that in a president. Not just a president who can do his/her job right but a president who is a good person. And isn't judgmental. And focuses on all the needs of our country, not just healthcare or the war.

Edison
03-19-2008, 03:24 PM
Brilliant speech, and one that's already being argued as historic. Addressing wounds that haven't healed well, but showing the real hope brought from rising above it as a unified nation. And that we have no choice if we want to become the country we aspire to be. Time will give it context, but he's already raised the bar for everyone involved.
It's stunning to compare a speech like that with the empty rhetoric, obfuscation, and stonewalling we've been getting from Washington for the last 8 years.

I'm convinced that Obama is listening to the voice of working class Americans and is committed to representing them, with transparency and accountability.

GObama!

Schoolyj
03-19-2008, 04:52 PM
Yeah, I think he pretty much needs to be president after that speech.

The many comparisons to Lincoln that are bouncing around the i-webs are not unwarranted.

speedymarie
03-19-2008, 05:56 PM
have you guys come across anyone who is expressing disappointment in Obama's speech, because they feel that he didn't adequately describe Wright's sermons as hate speech. Or because they don't understand why he would continue to go to a church with a pastor whose political views are so radical and different from his own?

I've got a couple friends who are irritated with me, because I feel like they aren't getting the point of Obama's speech. They just feel strongly that Wright's expressing hate speech, and that it's possible to have that anger, without expressing hate, and they can't get past that.

hixx
03-19-2008, 06:13 PM
I have Speedy. Definitely.

I'm not sure what these people wanted to hear. I guess they wanted a full denunciation of Wright from Obes.

And really, he may have been a bit shady ("I did hear the hate speech. I didn't hear the hate speech. Even though I heard the hate speech, I never believed in the hate speech") but if he had denounced Wright completely, well...that would have been stupid and everyone would have called for his head.

I really thought he did a great job in explaining exactly where that speech came from, why it was so angry - while denouncing the anger, I mean...yeesh.

But I tell you, there are plenty PLENTY of people out there who did not accept that speech, don't accept it, won't accept it and just made them angrier.

But my supposition is they were damn angry to start with, so eff 'em in the butt.

Hixx

jimfath
03-19-2008, 06:47 PM
I'm hearing a lot of the same. Anger at Obama for not doing more to distance himself from the hatefulness of the clips of the reverend.
I thought Obama took the high road and spoke well of the slippery slope our society is on and has been for several years. About how he can't disown any of it... Older generations, specifically older whites, might have a hard time trying to reconcile what he was trying to say with him not acknowledging the anger in a palatable way. Again though... that very divide is the nature of the problem.

I fear the detractors both McCain and Clinton will have an easy time playing off peoples fears and bigotries in dismantling his candidacy.
Even if this is his undoing... Someone needed to say what he said yesterday in a bad way. Calling out the anger and resentment that's been brewing for years on both sides. Even if at times it must have felt foreign his attempt to converge two very different perspectives was very inspired. It was refreshing to hear a Politian speak so frankly, so relevantly, even if it might have cost him.

God I hate Washington.

rdolan
03-19-2008, 07:38 PM
A. I would ask them if they listened to the whole speech. If they haven't, encourage them to do so.

B. Ask them to go to a service at Trinity Church with you. I plan on going when my schedule opens up on the weekend in April or May.

C. Ask if they've taken the time to read Obama's books, "Dreams of My Father" or "Audacity of Hope." If they haven't, suggest that they read one of them before condemning the man based on a video clips.

D. Recommend James Cone's "Malcolm and Martin and America: A Dream or a Nightmare." (http://www.amazon.com/Martin-Malcolm-America-Dream-Nightmare/dp/0883448246)Wright has based a lot of his theology on some of Cone's other books, but this one is a good background on MLK Jr. and Malcolm X and the differing perspectives of the role of religion in black culture and how it was used by two of the most prominent black civil rights leaders.

stevescholz
03-19-2008, 07:59 PM
Speedy,

Your last post got me wondering about hate speech. I'm quoting the definition from Wikipedia:

Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action against a person or group of people based on their race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28classification_of_human_beings%29), gender (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender), age, ethnicity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity), nationality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality), religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion), sexual orientation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation), gender identity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity), disability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability), language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language) ability, moral or political views (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology), socioeconomic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic) class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class), occupation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_occupations) or appearance (such as height, weight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight), and hair color), mental capacity and any other distinction-liability.

What Reverand Wright did, as far as I can see, is express anger. That's not the same as hate speech, which I suspect the Reverand may have personally experienced at some point in life. Anger is a normal, human emotion. And anger and hatred can be expressed in ways that are not "hate speech."

I haven't spoken with anyone who has yet said "Obama didn't go far enough." Maybe my friends and acquaintances understand the complex issues Senator Obama is dealing with here. He said the comments were wrong, but the speaker is still part of his life. That might be tough for some people to accept, but Senator Obama gets it. He sees the difficulty, and he's taken steps to handle the situation. He's also taken on the bigger issues of race, religion and divisiveness. I hope those won't get overlooked.

I don't expect politicians to be perfect and do everything I want them to do all the time. But I do expect leadership and realism, and Senator Obama has shown us both of those with tremendous confidence.

Now, for a surprising perspective, let me share this from another man of the cloth, Mike Huckabee (from the Joe Scarborough show)


HUCKABEE: [Obama] made the point, and I think it's a valid one, that you can't hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do. You just can't. Whether it's me, whether it's Obama...anybody else. But he did distance himself from the very vitriolic statements.

Now, the second story. It's interesting to me that there are some people on the left who are having to be very uncomfortable with what Louis Wright said, when they all were all over a Jerry Falwell, or anyone on the right who said things that they found very awkward and uncomfortable years ago. Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Sermons, after all, are rarely written word for word by pastors like Reverend Wright, who are delivering them extemporaneously, and caught up in the emotion of the moment. There are things that sometimes get said, that if you put them on paper and looked at them in print, you'd say "Well, I didn't mean to say it quite like that."

JOE SCARBOROUGH: But, but, you never came close to saying five days after September 11th, that America deserved what it got. Or that the American government invented AIDS...

HUCKABEE: Not defending his statements.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: Oh, I know you're not. I know you're not. I'm just wondering though, for a lot of people...Would you not guess that there are a lot of Independent voters in Arkansas that vote for Democrats sometimes, and vote for Republicans sometimes, that are sitting here wondering how Barack Obama's spiritual mentor would call the United States the USKKK?

HUCKABEE: I mean, those were outrageous statements, and nobody can defend the content of them.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: But what's the impact on voters in Arkansas? Swing voters.

HUCKABEE: I don't think we know. If this were October, I think it would have a dramatic impact. But it's not October. It's March. And I don't believe that by the time we get to October, this is gonna be the defining issue of the campaign, and the reason that people vote.

And one other thing I think we've gotta remember. As easy as it is for those of us who are white, to look back and say "That's a terrible statement!"...I grew up in a very segregated south. And I think that you have to cut some slack -- and I'm gonna be probably the only Conservative in America who's gonna say something like this, but I'm just tellin' you -- we've gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told "you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can't sit out there with everyone else. There's a separate waiting room in the doctor's office. Here's where you sit on the bus..." And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.

Video link at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTFLOu8fjxU

rdolan
03-20-2008, 05:31 PM
The Daily Show's Take On the Speech. (http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=164437&is_large=true)

(Hilarious and smart.)

And then of course Colbert's "Democralypse Now (http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/videos.jhtml?videoId=164382)"

Biddle
03-20-2008, 05:46 PM
Beyond Stewart's stunned notice that "a politician spoke to the American people as if they were adults", I noticed, watching the show last night, that they let clips from Obama's speech run longer than they normally let them run and that he wasn't edited out of context for maximum hilarity.

Clearly, the staff at "The Daily Show" were impressed and wanted to help him get his message out, by broadcasting large chunks of his speech and expressing their awe, instead of mocking him. I think that Obama disarms them, because he's A.) hopeful and B.) appearing to be motivated by atypical motivations for most politicians.

One more thing... when Stewart and Larry Wilmore began their little post-speech segment, Stewart began by saying (approx), "When I was in my office, watching this speech, i thought...BEGIN BIT", but had a strong urge to try to locate Stewarts email online and sending him an email to ask him what he really thought about the speech. I'd like to hear Stewart's non-ironic, non-comedy central oriented, take on Obama's speech. I wish he blogged at Daily Kos or the Huffpost.

Great speech. (And less than twenty minutes after the speech was over, three different people emailed it to my boss, through me. People were buzzing about that speech.)

Cheers,
COB