Don Imus didn't kill anybody...a sports media rant.

[PeteFitz]

I mean whoa people. Slow down. He said nappy headed hos. Inappropriate, yes. But to burn the guy at the stake? Settle down.

It is a non-story to me, but apparently to everyone else in the sports world this is huge.

Apologies all over the place, I mean my God. The Rutgers team had a press conference to let the world know they don't know if they will accept Imus' apology. Honestly, who the fuck cares but the people involved? If I happened to be a Rutgers lady runner up, I would honestly say, I'm not going to listen to his show. Sure I'll accept his apology. Who cares what this guy says. Sticks and stones, people.

Man when did this country get so soft? I am not defending the crypt-keeper, Don Imus. But isn't this something his sponsors and management should be dealing with. Not every sports outlet in the fucking universe. I got it. Imus bad. Lady Rutgers not nappy headed hos.

Then to listen to the rap community says Imus was out of line...Wha? It's the same fucking vernacular you use. C'mon guys, please don't give me that shit. Sit this battle out. This is not one in which I need to hear Snoop justify why nappy headed hos is fine for him to use. My dear Lord.

God if it's not steroid talk it's got to be this shit. Goddamn. Just when I want to hear how the Sox blew that gem that Garland was working on. All I got was umm....Jenks didn't look to good...ah...back to this Imus thing.

Fuck that. Man, everyone has a pulpit and tower nowadays. Everyone owns a really high horse. Jesus Christ. This is probably just what Imus wants, free advertising. Ugh.

Losing blood flow to brain, must...look...up...recap of Sox game......hopefullly..no mention of...Imus...and or lady Rutgers.

[unconscious]

[Jessica]

The best part about all of this was hearing clips from the Al Sharpton show. Imus went on there to apologize.

Howard Stern was having a field day with that one. Sharpton is no man to throw stones. To listen to the 2 of them was pretty funny.

Both are way crazy in my book. Who cares. I hope they suggest rehab for Imus too. That would be great.

[Tony]

I just wish someone from the Rutgers team, or anyone involved on that end, would just say "I only found it offensive because it was not funny."

Imus is a boring turd. As is Michael Richards. And Mel Gibson.

I wonder if publicists for boring celebs encourage racist bits for a little press.

[Mike McKeown]

I saw photos of that press conference, and I didn't see a nappy head in the bunch. Hairstyles were in perfect order. As for the "ho's" comment, I'd say it's offensive and would like to give those girls the benefit of the doubt that they aren't actually as promiscuous as Imus is suggesting. I don't know all the details of this story but it seems like he made these comments for no reason, which is lame ond not really that funny. Speaking ill of atheletes is only funny if they give us reason to speak ill of them. If an athelete shoots up a club of hits their girlfriend then they are open game for a shit storm of negative comments. Did any of these girls smack up their boyfriends or shoot up a club, or have a gang bang with the basketball team? If so, his comments MIGHT have some context, but I don't think that's the case. Seems like a jerk move. And are these girls really going to meet with Imus? He's got funny hair, so that should be an interesting meeting.

[rdolan]

Whitlock agrees with you, PeteFitz, for the most part.

http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html

[EdO]

Whitlock agrees with you, PeteFitz, for the most part.

http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html

That

was...

perfect.

[Honey]

"Ho" is offensive.

And, to be perfectly fair? There's only, like, three girls on the team that are from Jersey.

So...you know.

It's a sweeping generalization as well, which is dumb.

[Telfer]

I don't know anything about this fine gentleman, but didn't the other guy say "hos" first? Like, basically cue this Amos guy? How come nobody is all over his ass?

[Juan]

F*CK IMUS!!! I HOPE HE LOSES HIS JOB!!!
Baba Booey!!! Baba Booey!!! Howard Stern's penis!!!

[guillaume]

Loved the article. I was thinking the same thing about how America can focus on something like this for a week or two b/c someone said something inappropriate while in Iraq people are dying.

I think the mainstream media is going to be obsolete in no time b/c they make the unimportant their lead story and ignore the real news.

[Jenstab]

Aren't shows like Mind of Mencia geared around the same idea of stating random sterotypes for the purpose of entertainment or shock. And it's not like he's being clever about his jokes either, he just shouts them. So what's the difference? Imus comment seems pointless and out of line, but does everyone need to pee their pants over it? I mean come on, we have to focus that we know who Anna Nicole Smiths baby daddy is now.

One of the CNN head lines right now states "Black women who use 'ho' say Imus can't"

[matthewp]

If Imus was black and he said what he said this firing or imminent firing would not be happening. It was simply a joke gone bad he shouldnt lose his livelyhood over it. If anything this will make him more popular than he deserves.

[Telfer]

If Imus was black and he said what he said this firing or imminent firing would not be happening. It was simply a joke gone bad he shouldnt lose his livelyhood over it. If anything this will make him more popular than he deserves.

Right, <i>if</i> he was black. And <i>if</i> he was 90 feet tall, people wouldn't care either, they'd be running for their fucking lives. I think that's a silly way to rationalize this, even if it is getting too much press.

A lot of it obviously has to do with his history, he's infamous for disrespecting black culture. They had someone from Rainbow Push on WGN this morning, and I can't remember his name, but he made a great point about how Imus has these moments, but the scary part is that Imus is also quite articulate and thoughtful at other moments. Imus desperately wants to embed himself in culture so his influence remains. Sure, that may mean he's getting too much attention right now, but booting him off the public airwaves could be considered a proactive step towards making people more tolerant. This guy is determined to get his licks in for no reason other than a personal one.

I'm still wondering about the guy who egged him on. Is he getting off easy because there's fewer strikes against him?

[PeteFitz]

[regaining consciousness]

Whoa. Loss of blood to the head. Sorry people.

Wait a second, Whitlock articulately has a race related thought. And I, gasp, couldn't agree more with it. Slowly getting woozy again.

Thoughts of giving Whitlock a second chance....making brain pulsate uncontrollably.....pins and needles....umm maybe I'll sit down...ahhh....that feels better.....

[rendered unconscious again]

[jimfath]

This whole thing is irrelevant and does SEVERE damage to the real racial issues in this country. National Dialog about race relations is absolutely needed.... Direly... But over reacting to trivial garbage like this makes our society look like a spineless pack of easily offended Ninnies and further deflates the integrity of valid racial issues that could certianly use 1/4 of the press this "story" has gotten.

Also the Absolute hypocrisy of rappers sounding off on this "issue" is a fucking joke.

Bottom Line:
Al Sharpton is a Press Whore

Imus is an unfunny relic

And the Ladies of Rutgers are not nappy headed ho's. They're a basketball team that that clawed their way to the top of the NCAA to finish a respectable 2nd. But instead of talking about that let's talk about how weak and broken they all are about some irrelevant crypt keeper radio host's comments.

Dear America...

You're an easily distracted wimp!

[EdO]

Do you think Jesse Jackson has a Protest Parade Militia group ready to mobilize any time of the day or night, in an underground bunker, with racks of protest signs next to the garage door that houses the Rainbow Push SWAT van? You know...just in case any non-black someone...anyone... no matter how obscure or insignificant, utters a word, phrase or audible sound that appears to "disrespect black culture"?

Odd though, that those without hateful intention who let a single word slip as a joke are burned at the stake, but entire outwardly, publicly racist hate groups are completely ignored by the Jesse/Sharpton Militia.

Grandiose acts of collective, aggressive self-entitlement offend me. They offend me. I am offended and outraged. And I consider it a slur against my race, religion, and sexual preference. (Which is "lots, please")

[nichbob]

Don Imus' show has officially been cancelled.

How ridiculous. Can't say i've ever seen/heard his show, but the Whitlock article from the Kansas City paper nailed this thing.

[Scol]

The spineless news media does it again.

Simple sensationalism and easily packaged racism. Do these ball-less cowards do any real investigative reporting any more? How about digging into the causes and effects of the issue on an appropriate scale? Something dangerous and unpopular, like, say, exposing the evils of our drug laws? That's the kind of racism that destroys lives and societies.

But it doesn't sell like mouthy celebrities. And it's nowhere near as safe.

Don Imus is a nut-job in an odious profession. But Jesus, talk about small potatoes. Shock-jocks spew hostile shit on a daily basis, most of it worse than this. Does anyone remember Anne Coulter urging the U.S. to invade all Muslim countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity? It got a little play, but nowhere near as much as the Imus fiasco. I guess rude stupid insults are far more heinous than attempting to incite war and murder.

Sharpton and Jackson clearly care far more about self-promotion than anything else. I couldn't agree more; this type of bullshit severely undermines actual dialogue about race in this country.

All this and the death of Vonnegut. File today under shitty.

[Juan]

The spineless news media does it again.


Sharpton and Jackson clearly care far more about self-promotion than anything else. I couldn't agree more; this type of bullshit severely damages actual dialogue about race in this country.


So true. I never liked these two a$$-ho's.

[PeteFitz]

Anytime America's Salem Witch Morality wants to give me back my sports radio back, let me know. You've ruined my interminable commute this week.

As Tony so eloquently said, Imus should be fired. Becuase he sucks.

I can't believe how pussy the US is. You got a dead guy fired. Are you happy? Way to nip this race problem in the bud. Crisis averted.

American Witch Hunt Morality Group - 1, Free Speech - 0.

America, Fuck you. You have really sucked the last couple of years.

[Scol]

Don't get me wrong. I hate what Imus said, and I don't think we, the public, should be tolerant of such ass-holishness. We damn well should be fighting racism, and misoginy, in all its forms.

But while doing it, we should maintain perspective. The news media trivializes the problem by sensationalizing small incidents like this. They show no real interest in fighting racism appropriately. There seems to be no attempt to dig deep and expose it with any depth.

And of course, the opportunists crawl out of the woodwork to promote their own agendas and to get their faces on t.v. Geraldo Rivera, a lizard if ever there was one, has quickly joined the ranks.

Yeah, I suppose free speech is under fire here. But it's a shitty kind of free speech. I'm opposed to Imus's firing, but I can't say I'm shedding any tears for him either. A proper punishment would have been for one of the Rutger's girls fathers to have punched him in the mouth.

So CBS 'disappeared' him. That sort of thing validates simplistic approaches to complex issues.

[kremidas]

I still don't get how "nappy headed hos" is a racist comment.

Sure, "hos" is a mysoginistic term, on par with calling all women "bitches".

But, well...don't black people *actually have* nappy hair? How is saying that demeaning? How is that generalizing or stereotyping the african american race in any negative way? Or in any way whatsoever? It's like saying "black hos".

My point is, the "ho" part is the only real negative part of that comment. It's just qualified by their hair type. Maybe I understand the word "nappy" in totally the wrong way, and he really just insulted their hair style. But even that isn't really racist.


When I was in college I got accused of being racist by a group of black students when in a show I said "your teeth are as black as harriet tubman". This seems like the same type of racism Imus commited, which is to say...not *really*. I mean, what I said was a simile. And it's only demeaning or insulting if being black is supposed to bad in some way. Which, because I'm *not* racist, I know it isn't. The character in the scene had black teeth, Harriet Tubman was black. Voila, a simile is born. If I had said "your teeth are as black as a black person's teeth", now *that* would have been racist. But I didn't, and I wouldn't.

A racist comment is something that is demeaning to a race, Imus' comment was demeaning to women, and arguably only those women. If I don't understand "nappy" right, perhaps he insulted their hair. I think this whole situation is a bunch of bullshit, and people need to calm the fuck down and not be so sensitive.

just my five cents.

[AndyC]

Just to calmly clarify your anecdote:

I can see how your fellow students might view your comment as racist. You were comparing something disgusting (black teeth) to a revered figure in the fight against slavery. Context is everything in comedy.

[Telfer]

Yeah, and Imus' career has a context of him making degrading and condescending comments on black culture.

Also, using any one person as a sort of epitome of being black can be offensive to people. Why is she so recognizably "black"? Isn't she more recognized for being an abolishinist? Either way you're putting a bunch of weight on a person's skin color, and maybe those black students didn't appreciate the weight.

[Scol]

Yeah, and I think "Ho" covers both misogyny and blackyny.

Nappy headed rankles too, because you're taking a specific trait, and contextulizing it in a way meant to ridicule. Put 'em together, and you get a racist comment.

Oy.

[Crescent]

Yeah nappy is an insult and a fairly racist one at that. I'm trying to think of a good way to explain it with another example but I can't for some reason.

but yes...this whole thing gives gravity to the wrong issues. and power to the wrong people. The fact that the media uses these moments to make it appear that they are "taking a stand" is outlandish.

[kremidas]

I just picked a random black historical figure. Pointing out her skin color doesn't in any way negate the great work she did for the abolishonist movement. It just ignores it. I could have just as well said George Washington Carver. With that being said, I see your point, and I suppose part of the intended humor was in pushing that race button in a plausibly deniable way. But even then, it's not racist. In order for it to be racist we have to define racism in a *very* loose way. I have always understood the term to be language that demeans an entire race. Putting a hero and disgusting hygene in the same sentence might be offensive, but certainly not racist, it's just a comment that involves race. An insulting comment that involves race isn't racist, it's...um...Race-y?

And "hos" doesn't cover blackness at all, unless you some how generalize black women with prostitutes.

I didn't know Imus had a history of racist comments, but if that's the case, why hasn't there been an uproar like this before? I haven't heard anybody say that this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I still think this is silliness. Now Michael Richards, *there's* a racist.

[Hendo]

First of all, the term "nappy headed" is very, very racist. If you use the argument that it's just an accurate description of they way "they" have their hair, then would you say it's all right to use the terms "greasy Italians," "thick-lipped blacks," "hooked-nose Jews," or "slanty-eyed Chinese/Japanese"? Because those are just "accurate descriptions," right?

the point is that the term "nappy-headed" is used in a deragatory way. And how African-Americans view their own hair is a pretty loaded subject... just ask Spike Lee.

Imus has been taken out behind the wood-shed before, btw. Clarence Page, a writer from the Tribune and a frequent contributor to Imus' show, made him pledge a little over a year ago to quit using racist terminology, specifically to quit using "simian" terms when referring to black male atheletes.

I'm not going to cry for Imus. The media machine made him great, the media machine is tearing him down. For Christ's sake, I just found out that last year Time magazine had him in the list of the 25 most influential people in the world.

TOP 25!

It's time he's gone. He's a fucking dinosaur.


ETA: Pete, I don't understand one thing. Imus isn't a sports commentator. He's more of a political commentator. How is his job loss fucking with your enjoyment of listening to sports shows?

[PeteFitz]

Hendor. The Mighty.

It is like this. Every show is devoting way too much time to this. The afternoon drive shows are a little better. Sports shows are always (somewhat) bereft of material, so when something moralistic bleeds over into the sports realm, good luck. You're going to get wall to wall discussions about issues that pretty much everyone has already made their mind up. Drives me insane.

(I mean honestly, does anyone change their opinion on racism do to a radio host discussing his thoughts on the subject matter? Fuck an A man.)

ESPN proper (shows out of Bristol) shows absolutely think they are a news source. So whenever these Pete Rose, Bobby Knight, steroids, now the Imus stories break, they spend an inordinate amount of time on the things people say/do rather then the games people play. It bites.

Examples:

Mike and Mike in the morning spent the entire hour I was in the car talking about it. I flipped back every once in a while to hear if they had gone off of the topic. Alas, no. And fucking Greenberg thinks is the universes moral compass, it bites. Dude, you are a sportscaster. I already have a dad. Racism bad. I got it. I learned that from Crash. Thank God for Crash. I had no idea people judge other people based on the color of their skin.

So I would switch over to Mike North. And of course he thinks this is an affront to his job. (He equates himself with Imus by the way. North has a huge ego). So he goes on and on. To the point, when I was getting out of the car, Jesse Jackson was trying to rush from the airport to get to the Score studio, in order to go on the air. Aye, for fucks sake man.


The afternoon not as bad. Bernstein thinks he is Gods gift so naturally, he wants to talk about it, but usually Terry is pretty good about steering away from it.

MJH usually does a good job of staying away from these Bobby Knight/Imus/Pete Rose/steroid talks but it creeps in.

It gets to the point that it is all the callers and emailers want to talk about it, so the hosts are kinda forced to talk about it. And you know the general sports show listener. I mean they're not exactly splitting the atom. So it drones on while some guy, who wants to know why he can't vote for Bush a third time, lets me know his feelings about Don Imus.

It gets brutal.

I thought steroids was the worst. But this takes the cake. ANd every two minutes something different is done (apologies/firings/ad pulls) so "pundits" feel the need to pontificate on the new transpirings.

It's a vicious cycle. Thank god Anna Nicole Smith had nothing to do with sports. Unless you count being in Naked gun with a double homicidal 2000 yard rush season running back.

I am actually looking forward to Santo telling me which toupee he is wearing.

Thank Sweet Jesus for Pat Hughes.

TheFitz

[kremidas]

"hooked nosed" "greasy" "thick lipped" are all generalizations that are not necessarily true. I've met many a person who did not fit these stereotypes.

Now, "slanty eyed" seems to walk the line a little more closely, since I have only ever heard that said in a demeaning tone, even though it is technically true that asians have "slanty eyes". It depends on the context, which really makes me re-think my whole position altogether. I have not actually heard Imus speaking the words "nappy headed hos", nor the dialog leading up to it. Something like %30 percent of what we communicate comes through in the mere verbal signifiers, so maybe it was worse than I thought. My understanding of the term "nappy" comes from my mom rubbing my head of curly hair as a kid and commenting on its nappiness, I've never heard it spoken in a demeaning way like I have heard "slanty eyed" used by my grandfather.

[Crescent]

Yeah it's doesn't mean that. It's a racist term saying that black people have bad hair. It's not nappy like sleepy.

[Monahan]

In reference to african americans, I have never heard "nappy" used in anything but a negative, demeaning way.

I have heard my mom tell me it was time to take a nappy and get some sleepy, but that had nothing to do with anyone's hair (except maybe that she wanted me asleep so she could shower and wash hers).

[Hendo]

Pete:

Now it makes sense to me. 'Cuz I was starting to wonder why you were listening to Imus in the first place...

[PeteFitz]

Actually if any good has come from this, it is that I should probably listen to music more. Even though my collection is dated and sucks.

That and I honestly had no idea that Imus looked that bad. He truly has a face for the radio.

[Hendo]

no shit. He looks like a skull covered with leather and a fright wig.

[kremidas]

If "nappy" is such a negative term, then why do the following children's books exist?

http://http://www.amazon.com/Nappy-Dragonfly-Books-Carolivia-Herron/dp/0679894454/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-2337825-3672705?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1176487634&sr=1-1

http://http://www.amazon.com/Happy-Be-Nappy-Jump-Sun/dp/0786804270/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-2337825-3672705?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1176487647&sr=1-2

http://http://www.amazon.com/Nappy-Carney-Nunes-Charisse/dp/0974814210/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/104-2337825-3672705?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1176487647&sr=1-3

I don't see any kid's books with the N-word in the title. And if you search for Nappy on Amazon there's more of them.

[Hendo]

dude, you are so barkin' up the wrong tree. It was a deragatory racist exclamation. Both "nappy" and "ho". Pretty much the whole free world gets it. Quit trying to argue that "nappy" ain't deragatory.

[kremidas]

It isn't. I'm right. This syllogism is flawless! mwa ha ha!

EDIT:

Okay, in all seriousness. I have never heard the term used in a deragtory way. And I just gave you three examples it's usage that were not only non-demeaning, but *endearing*. You responded by saying that I don't get it, so step off. Well, that's why discussions like these occur, maybe I *don't* get it, but teach me. At the same time, maybe *you* don't get it.

[EdO]

When I was in college I got accused of being racist by a group of black students when in a show I said "your teeth are as black as harriet tubman".

God help me, I just laughed my ass off at this.

I love racial humor. It's so effective. People get all worked up regardless of whether the source is being malicious or just lighthearted.

Look at this Chinese guy---:D

WHAT?!:eek:

[Jessica]

Good grief!!

The only thing I can say is I guess our country is doing pretty well considering that this dumb story is the top and main story of every newscast.

Or we won't see it coming because everyone is so focused on this. Just as we find out who Anna's baby daddy is, this has to happen.

Pete- It's not just sports radio that is obsessed with talking this to death. So is every channel and they all have their experts and their opinions.

I am loving my satelite radio even more now. Most of the music channels have been ignoring it. Or just mentioning it and moving on to the music.

It's about time Imus got off the air. Never listened to him. Only heard stuff he has said in the past. To me, it sounds like he has been a hater for a while. He had zero ratings anyways on the radio before this. He is a creepy guy that has that cancer ranch for kids. Now THAT's where I would be directing my attention towards.

[Hendo]

It isn't. I'm right. This syllogism is flawless! mwa ha ha!

EDIT:

Okay, in all seriousness. I have never heard the term used in a deragtory way. And I just gave you three examples it's usage that were not only non-demeaning, but *endearing*. You responded by saying that I don't get it, so step off. Well, that's why discussions like these occur, maybe I *don't* get it, but teach me. At the same time, maybe *you* don't get it.

Oh, I get it. Just like I get that when I use the term "ape", or "monkey," most times I'm not using it in a deragatory way. But if I call Patrick Ewing a "slack-jawed ape" or comment on a football game and say, "look at that little monkey run," then you can probably chalk those up to racist comments.

It IS all about context. Now, you say that "greasy" is a generalization, but "nappy" isn't. How? Do ALL black people have their hair in tight curls? Because that's the DEFINITION of nappy. So how is referring to the Rutgers' women team as "nappy-headed" not racist and deragatory? Here's your "syllagism" for you...

a) not all the women on the Rutgers' team are black
b) not all the black women on the Rutgers' team have their hair in tight curls

therefore,

c) Don Imus was making racist comment by using "nappy-headed".

[Telfer]

Those children's books caused an uproar.

Sheesh. Nappy is not always racist, but it's got a long and painful history
in that context. A long history. If you don't know it, trust me, Imus knew it.

[kremidas]

I'll fold based on my trust that it can, and was, used in a demeaning way, even though I have never heard the term used that way. Also because I don't know if anybody knows the precise defintion of "nappy", because I've heard about four different definitions between this board and people i've asked today.

Here is my favorite syllogism:

1.) All syllogisms have at least 3 parts
2.) Therefore, this is not a syllogism.

[EdO]

I never heard the term nappy until I saw The Color Purple. That was a movie starring Whoopi Goldberg, founder of One Ho Productions.

[Hendo]

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[rdolan]

I love it when it people are like I've never heard that "word" was offensive.

A: I've never heard that "word" was offensive.
B: Well, it is. Hey, C, D, E, F, G, is "word" offensive?
C,D,E,F,G: Yes. And if you just read a little and ask around you will find this to be the case.
A: News to me. I don't believe you! Teach me why it's offensive.
B: You mean teach besides the fact that, me and five other people can tell you from life experience it is?
A: Yep.

Here's an idea. Why don't you teach yourself? You know, self-education? Go the library. Do some google searches. Talk to some human beings.

I'm done with this thread, btw.

But before I go, I would like to note that Jason Whitlock is going to be on OPRAH on Monday to talk about Imus and rap music.

Yes, Jason Whitlock is going to be Oprah.

What are the angry white males who hate Whitlock going to do now?

(Watch Oprah.)

Hilarious x 1000.

[Edison]

I don't know that it was necessarily a calculated move, but it's clear that Imus has been struggling to stay relavent, and he hasn't been for years.

You have to be somewhat of an egomaniac to be a talk radio host, and Imus is an angry, self-entitled radio personality who takes himself way too seriously. If he goes, it should be because he's a bore. Not because of this incident.
I don't know if he's making an attempt at humor, but Imus' outrageous off-the-cuff remarks simply aren't funny. Howard Stern, for all the negative press and heat he's taken, makes sexism and racism look ridiculous by heightening the crap out of it. There's humor in that.

[ritty]

The irony of Whitlock calling people out for being shameless self-promoters is not lost on me. Trust me on this one, Whitlock will milk this story/opportunity for all its worth. He's already written one follow-up column about the ramifications of his original column. What's the over/under on how many more columns Whitlock is able to squeeze out of this baby? I'm going to say 5. Because, like always Jason Whitlock, the story is about you, right? It's a shame, too, because the first column really was good.

[EdO]

Here's an idea. Why don't you teach yourself? You know, self-education? Go the library. Do some google searches. Talk to some human beings.



I did this. I went to the library and asked for books on the offensiveness of Ho. They must have been all checked out. I did a Gogle search, and came up with a bunch of rap lyrics. Later on I'm going to try and talk to some human beings. Or letters.

[Hendo]

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