LOST

[sammy]

Continuing the epic television thread!

Upcoming season 3 episodes, with episode title and flashbacker but sans spoilerish synopsis:

4/4 - LEFT BEHIND (Kate)

4/11 - ONE OF US (Juliet)

4/18 - CATCH-22 (Desmond)

4/25 - D.O.C. (Jin/Sun)

5/2 - THE BRIG (Jack)

5/9 - THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (Dharma) <--What!? Holy balls!

5/16 - GREATEST HITS (Charlie)

[Crescent]

So you think it's safe to assume that Charlie dies in the last ep, Brutha?

[sammy]

5/23 is the two-hour season finale, Brutha. So, maybe Charlie gets a very special episode of his own.

[Crescent]

I just realized I'm going to be traveling for most of may! DAMMIT! I need to buy a tivo or something. Brutha.

[Jordana]

Finally just got to see the Pikki episode last night. Holy crap, that was creepy as all hell!!

I'm sure it was all discussed in the other thread, so I'll just leave it at: Damn, creepy! Nikki should've stayed in the jungle where they were bit and hope that no one stumble upon them for the next 8 hours.

And, a Dharma episode?! Woah, that's awesome!

[sammy]

Continuing the epic television thread!

Upcoming season 3 episodes, with episode title and flashbacker but sans spoilerish synopsis:

4/4 - LEFT BEHIND (Kate)

4/11 - ONE OF US (Juliet)

4/18 - CATCH-22 (Desmond)

4/25 - D.O.C. (Jin/Sun)

5/2 - THE BRIG (Jack)

5/9 - THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (Dharma) <--What!? Holy balls!

5/16 - GREATEST HITS (Charlie)

5/23 - (title TBA) (Benjamin) <-- Heyo!

Also, the Dharma episode is either about the DeGroots or two folks who work for Dharma...

[zartan]

Where did the Others go? My guess is that Locke convinced them to cast aside modern convenience and to live on the beach or in the jungle somewhere.

Kate and Juliet soaking wet wrestling in the mud (and handcuffed). Thank you writers!

[Carr]

Okay, so I am not entirely sure that Juliet isn't still in league with the others. I am glad Sayid is going to have a little talk with her next week.

I had this thought last night that the Others all put their gas masks on to protect themselves from the smoke monster somehow. I mean yes, they were gassing people, but they were all outside when it happened and they threw the gas inside, plus everyone put one on which seemed like overkill. And maybe they threw the girls into the jungle to distract the smoke monster whilst they got away safely?

The other reason they may have put the masks on was because of the sickness that affected Rousseau's crew maybe?

I dunno, does that make sense? Just a thought.

And what is up with Juliet's shoulder? Popped out four times, eh? Huh.


Erin

[Chip]

I'm so glad for what they showed in the trailer for next week because at the end of the episode I was yelling at the TV, "OK, somebody start asking her lots of questions, dammit!"

Have any of them thought "hey, why don't we go live in the vacated houses?"

I did like Hurley conning Sawyer, and that was an interesting tie-in, that the Kate and whats-her-face that Sawyer conned would help each other out and both eventually fall for the same guy.

Like Erin, I'm not convinced that Juliette isn't in on it. But they have set up Ben to be really great at figuring out how to get people to do what he wants without having to tell them what to do. So maybe he just knows what Juliette will do and she has no clue what the plan is.


-Chip

[Evan]

I am enjoying these Lost episodes. I think it has picked up a lot from the beginning of the season. The writers should be credited for investing in the first part of the season and letting it pay off now with some great stuff.

It would appear the Others are familiar with the smoke monster, but it stills seems like Juliette didn't initially know what it was. Also, it appeared to do some strobe stuff on her - the same as what happened with Eko and Locke? Cool that the fence works on it. I just loved having the smoke monster back.

I can't wait to find out what Locke is up to with the other Others. And his dad. Weird. The dad can't be a smoke monster manifestation if they keep the smoke monster out.

Why was Jack out for so much longer than Juliette and Kate? Was Sayid knocked out, too, or were they keeping him outside?

It is great when flashbacks link up Losties. Sawyer has a kid!

I just really liked this episode.

Evan

[pinoy3D]

Locke looked a little beat up when he saw Kate. Was that bandage on his hand before?

[supes]

Locke looked a little beat up when he saw Kate. Was that bandage on his hand before?

I think he probably beat the living daylights out of his daddy. I would have, if I were him-- but to be clear, I'm not. So I wouldn't.

[zartan]

The full title of Jin & Sun's flashback coming in a few weeks is rumored to be "Date of Conception" (D.O.C. as stated in the first post). I think Jin might figure out he's been cheated on... or we might learn something about the island's time flux.

[Carr]

Locke looked a little beat up when he saw Kate. Was that bandage on his hand before?

I think that could have been from blowing up the sub. Didn't he kind of get blown forward with it?

Either that or normal romping through the jungle and being a badass sort of stuff caused the injuries.


Erin

[sammy]

"Jack’s joyous reunion with his fellow survivors is cut short when they realize that accompanying him is one of The Others, and Claire is stricken by a mysterious, life-threatening illness."

So is the long-awaited "sickness," presaged by Danielle, making its debut?

Current wacky theory of mine: Danielle is actually the smoke monster--we've seen smokey be Yemi and can assume it's been the Kate's horse, Sawyer's boar, Jack's dad and Hurley's Dave. Also, if its name is indeed "Cerebus" like on the wall map in the Swan Station, then maybe it is made up of three different components.

[Mike McKeown]

So do you all remember Claire's flashback where we met her boyfriend Thomas, who is Aaron's biological father. I found there's a striking resemblance with Thomas and Ben...


http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n276/mcm119/Thomas_Benjamin.jpg

Also, I just started paying more attention to the Biblical references in Lost. I found some stuff about the name Thomas in the Bible (which also references Jakob):
The stories of Old Testament figures often foreshadow the stories of New Testament figures who share the same name. These parallels exist for at least eight major New Testament figures: Jesus, Joseph, Simon-Peter, Paul, John the Baptist, John the Apostle, Doubting Thomas, and Judas. Admittedly there was no Thomas in the Old Testament. But "Thomas" meant "twin," and there are interesting parallels between Thomas and the twins of both the Old and New Testaments.
Twins Follow a Pattern:
The parallels involving Doubting Thomas and the three sets of twins mentioned in the Bible are perhaps the most impressive example of foreshadowing or typology. In each case the Bible discusses human twins where a hand or an arm was examined to determine someone's status or identity. The pattern is clear in the Doubting Thomas story (John 20:24-29). The name Thomas means twin and the Bible says that Thomas was called the twin. The other apostles told Thomas that Christ had risen from the dead. Thomas said he would not believe unless he put his fingers in the nail holes. Christ appeared to Thomas and the other disciples and offered his hands to Thomas, who made an immediate profession of faith, "My Lord and My God."
There are two sets of twins in the Old Testament. Esau and Jacob the sons of Isaac and Rebekah were the first set. In Genesis 27, Jacob stole Esau's blessing. Jacob's mother, Rebekah, convinced Jacob to steal the blessing by pretending he was Esau. Jacob killed a kid from the flock, cooked the kid, and tied the kid's skins to his arms. When Jacob served the meal to Isaac, Isaac recognized Jacob's voice so he asked to feel Jacob's arms. The goat skins convinced Isaac that Jacob was Esau, and he gave Jacob the blessing due his first born son, Esau. As in the Doubting Thomas story a person's arm is inspected to determine their identity or status.
Also, in the Blble, Aaron was Moses' older brother, and was the one who created the golden calf (false idol) while Moses was on Mt. Sinai.

[Monahan]

Interesting. Confirmed what I suspected about Juliet.

Was anyone else shocked that Sawyer & Sayid let her off the hook when she called them out? Seems like they might've been a little tougher to bully than that...

Overall, good episode. I'm totally interested in the end-game of this infiltration now.

[Evan]

I thought that was a hot episode. Lost is fluid enough to understand which characters are working for them and change accordingly (e.g. Kill off Paulo and whatshername, build up Ben and Juliette).

They gave us the type of answers-that-lead-to-questions that are the Lost hallmark. So the island does something about curing cancer, but women can't give birth on it. That makes me wonder about Danielle. Wasn't Alex born on the island?

Also, it was great to get an explanation on Claire's kidnapping and Ethan, but then they took that one away from us because clearly that is not what happened (or is it?). I think we can take the flashbacks as true, but not Juliette's explanation of what happened to Claire. She never mentioned an implant with Claire. It was interesting how they showed us Ben and Juliette scheming for Juliette to infiltrate the beach camp because I do not think in the past we have ever been privy to the Others except through the eyes of the Losties.

I think I am still holding out hope that Juliette is good, and at some future moment will make a decision against the Others, but most of those hopes were dashed by the ending. Still, for some reason they have managed to portray Juliette sympathetically enough so that I think she might turn out to be good. I was surprised that Sayid and Sawyer were cowed by her, but not too much. They seem to have developed a lot of shame about their past while they have been on the island and I think she was playing into the whole list idea, with them knowing that they are not good people (or do they really know about that?).

Overall, the season seemed a little frustrating in the beginning but I think it is paying off with great episodes now.

Evan

[Carr]

I don't like how Juliet seems like such a victim in her flashbacks, but comes off so hard and cold when she interacts in "present time" on the island.

I agree that especially Sayid should have been stronger during her verbal lashing. I mean he must have heard all sorts of stuff during his torture times. Man up, man. Let Sawyer take the meds back to Jack and beat the truth out of the lady.

Also, I think Juliet might turn around. If it is true that she is "one of us" because she wants off the island more than anything else, I think she should get more sympathetique. Also, by that reasoning since Locke wants nothing more than to stay on the island, that's what makes him one of the Others now.


Erin

[zartan]

I agree about Juliette's character not being consistent between the flashbacks and the present. We know her to be a decent person, so why would she change into someone so deceptive and sinister?

My only guess is that she has been shown something about the island (or Jacob) that leads her to believe that it will either save or destroy humanity depending on the circumstances.

I still think the flashbacks with Ethan count. Rules of storytelling don't allow them to contradict their own flashbacks (which should be considered established reality).

I wonder what would be so significant about the Others that it would cause the Losties to retaliate with murder. My guess is that Oceanic 815 and it's passengers were an orchestrated conspiracy to get certain people on the island.

Was that a helicopter in the background audio of the preview? Me thinks DHARMA might be coming back to the island to find out why communication has been disrupted, and I bet the shi+ hits the fan when they find out that their organization has been wiped out and replaced by others. Could this be another reason the others have vacated their village? And could this be a set-up for the Losties to inhabit that village and take the fall for the "purge"?

Hmmm....

[Jenstab]

I think last nights episode was one of the first in a very long time that I actually enjoyed and made me think about different scenarios.

By the way Juliette was acting when she was talking to Ben at the end of the episode, it was almost like she was brain washed or brain dead. She seemed so empty. I thought it was kind of important that Ben asked her if she was ok. For some reason, that seemed like the type of statement that is significant in some way or another in the future.

I also think, that it was kind of random that she was shown having "relations" with that other other. It just seemed out of place and no explanation (unless I missed it) maybe they are going to set it up that she's pregnant. I'm sure they're no condoms on that island, and if there were ben would probably be poking holes in all of them based on what their experiments are about.

And what I'm assuming killed all of russo's comrades was that thing that they put in claire. Only the others didn't go and cure them when they were going through withdrawl. I hope they touch on that eventually, that whole "disease" thing.

And also, back in season one they said claires baby is special. There was that one guy that said she had to go to california and she HAD to take the flight that crashed. She said she wanted to go later, he said she had to take THAT flight. I think he said something about letting the baby get into the wrong hands.

I'm starting to think that this whole island is a social experiment. Maybe even like the truman show. Why did they take a sub to the island? Why was no one killed in a major plane accident? And if the "ride" is so bumpy why didn't ethan need to be restrained?

p.s. I love this show again for ever

[Chip]

Why was no one killed in a major plane accident?

I think many people were killed in the plane crash. There were only about 40 survivors, from a plane that holds a couple hundred or so, I think.

-Chip

[hixx]

What I thought was interesting from last night's ep was that the Others didn't know who was on the plane when it crashed.

Ben said he wanted all the information on the people on the flight pulled up immediately, which led me to believe they weren't expecting the plane to crash. So maybe it wasn't all premeditated?

I loved last night's ep, but I'm still VERY confused.

Hixx

[DiMarco]

I also think, that it was kind of random that she was shown having "relations" with that other other.

Wasn't that other Other the one that got sent off to the Tail and was then killed by Anna Lucia? If so I think that explains why Juliette is willing to infiltrate the camp... she wants revenge for the killing of her man.

I'm also very confused by the whole thing, but at least I'm enjoy the show again.

[Jenstab]

I think many people were killed in the plane crash. There were only about 40 survivors, from a plane that holds a couple hundred or so, I think.

-Chip

Yeah, you're right about that. I just figured that anyone surviving a crash like that is unlikely. However, if they all died there would be no show. I grapple between, is there a specific reason why the people who survived are all linked together, or this means nothing enjoy the show. The thing with this show is somethings I try to make something out of nothing.

And if I'm spotty with my details it's probably because I watched season 1 over the span of 50 some hours before season 2 debuted. I couldn't stop watching....

[pinoy3D]

I think the Others are just doing whatever it takes to keep their island a secret. If anyone leaves the island, they can reveal it's location and spilling all the islands secrets.

I think that there is still a chance of Juliet going home, and she is going the way of Michael by doing whatever it takes. And if she does make it home, then she probably won't tell anyone what she did to get back.

[Monahan]

Wasn't that other Other the one that got sent off to the Tail and was then killed by Anna Lucia? If so I think that explains why Juliette is willing to infiltrate the camp... she wants revenge for the killing of her man.

That was definitely Goodwin, who was the guy who infiltrated the Tailies the way Ethan did the Lostaways (Buzzwords!).

I think that set up was to show interconnectedness and suggest the idea of revenge, but I think Juliette knows it was a different group of folks who killed her mans.

[sammy]

from aicn:

A highly-placed insider has just set my hinder straight on the batting order for the final episodes of “Lost” this season.


The bad news? As reported by TV Guide’s Michael Ausiello, the season will indeed not end with a Benjamin Linus flashback two-parter.


The good news? We’ll be getting Ben’s flashbacks even sooner! He’ll be the focus of 3.20, the episode previously believed to be DeGroot-centric. (If you’re thinking Dharma masterminds Karen and Gerald DeGroot will still turn up in that episode, I’d guess you’re thinking right.)


The shocking news? After years of privately and publicly nagging the producers of “Lost” to cut back on the flashbacks, I can report that 3.19 is slated to be the first-ever flashback-free episode in the series’ history.
The absent flashbacks for that episode, says my source, “won't even be missed.”


“The episode,” he or she adds, “focuses on one of season one's ‘mysteries’ - if that's the right word.”


What I am assured is the true flashback order:
3.17 Desmond Hume
3.18 Jin & Sun Kwon
3.19 no flashbacks!
3.20 Benjamin Linus
3.21 Charlie Pace
3.22-23 Jack Shephard

[Mike McKeown]

If the magnetic anomaly truly caused the Others to lose contact with the outside world, including their ability to freely travel to/from the island, then they could simply be fighting for their own survival. They are trapped on the island and if they cannot procreate they will all die off eventually. They are desperate to figure out how to save themselves. Ben had some line to the effect of "we'll just find more women to get pregnant", which had a slight air of desperation to it. But we have to assume they know a lot more which makes these situations even more life and death.

Also, it's not specific how long their problem with the pregnant women has existed. The don't specify if Juliet is the first fertility doctor they've recruited or just the latest in a longer line of failed attempts with other specialists they've brought to the island. Maybe it's somewhat recent (3 years or so).

I also liked finding out that the Others did not know about the passengers prior to the crash (or so it seems). But it also appears that they have a vast, detailed oriented team working for them back in the real world that can quickly gather lots of detailed, personal information on every character. That's been one of those details I've been waiting for more information about.

[Carr]

Also, it's not specific how long their problem with the pregnant women has existed. The don't specify if Juliet is the first fertility doctor they've recruited or just the latest in a longer line of failed attempts with other specialists they've brought to the island. Maybe it's somewhat recent (3 years or so).


Well Ben has said before that he has lived on the island his whole life. So it must not have always been.

I just had a thought whilst reading the last post! What if the "Adam and Eve" bodies found way back in season 1 in the caves are Ben's parents???

Erin

[schaefe]

http://www.pvponline.com/images/3072.gif

[Chip]

1) That PvPOnline comic is awesome.

2) That picture on the Abbott's desk had him and the old lady that told Desmond about his future sight thing.

3) Lest we forget that Kate is hot...

[Crescent]

AH! I noticed the picture too! I was so proud of myself because usally that shit goes over my head.

Last night ruled.

lest we forget that Desmond is sofa king hot with his shirt open

[Carr]

Who was that chick who fell from the sky? Have we seen her before?

Good epi last night. Plus more hot island sexy times.

Woot.

Erin

[hixx]

I really liked last night's ep. I was completely nervous through the whole thing. Loved it.

A. Loved the self-referential humor of having to play ping pong every 108 minutes.

B. Nice to be back on the beach, I missed Hurley.

C. Lest we forget Sawyer is hot, my lord man...

Hixx

[zartan]

We've never seen the parachute chick before, but she had the portugeuse translation of catch-22, which implies that she's with Penny's antartic search party (they also spoke portugeuse).

[Telfer]

I just watched the pilot and the first two episodes.

Don't worry I don't care about spoilers or anything.

The writers oversell the supernatural stuff pretty hard. I knew the show would be like this, but the way it's written in is really predictable. Like people will be sitting around drinking water or rationing food and someone will suddenly go "hey, bring me random bits of laptops and cell phones and I will make an antennae that runs on magic, because we just ran out of batteries." And then someone says "I bet there's dinosaurs and a math code and a secret military base here!" and everyone kind of shrugs it off and goes back to rationing food. What?

And what's the deal with the polar bears? I like how they kill one, and then when there's mysterious roaring and crashing in the jungle they're like "Oh no! What in the world could that be?"

Um? Polar bears? I mean seriously, if you were there wouldn't you be like "We killed a bear, it's probably more bears!" But everyone's all like "it's an 80 foot monster!"

That's cool and all, but it's probably some more fuckin bears.

[Monkey Girl]

I want to know what Jin's ghost story around the campifire was!

Someone please translate, please. :)

[zartan]

They saw trees collapsing, heard mechanical sounds mixed with an uncommonly loud t-rex-sounding roar, and this is on their first night on a mysterious island, and you wonder why they didn't assume it was a polar bear? I can assure you that if you are already nitpicking this show based on how these survivor's react to strange situations, then you will surely end up hating it. There are far worse responses in future episodes than that, I can assure you, and if anything, these unexplainable reactions to supernatural events are the flaw in this series.

You are wrong, though, that this series is going to be filled with superstitious magic and x-files crap. There is some of that, but most everything so far has had an answer that seems scientific or at least plausible.

And I'll argue that nobody ever assumed that the sound was a monster until they saw what it did to the pilot. But I haven't watched the first episode in a while so maybe I'm wrong, and I've forgotten everyone running in panic from the imaginary godzilla.

[HeatherConnelly]

I have to admit I was fascinated at how crappy I thought the show was when I watched the first season on dvd. I would roll my eyes and remember thinking how cheese-tastic everything was. Eventually, I got into the groove of it and now adore it and hold Lost very close to my heart. Now? I'm on The Fuselage.com reading theories and viewing screencaps, like, jeez...daily.

Reading your post, Dan reminded me that I totally started out skeptical and all "eh, whatevs" about Lost. I don't know how I got here, but at a certain point I started getting goosebumps, I started caring, I got hooked.

Stick with it, it's better than it looks at first glance.

One thing I started to realize and something I say out loud to my screen whenever I think "yawn, I figured it all out": Lost is smarter than I am.
Sure it has filler and heavy-handed exposition and some boring stuff, but it really knows what it's doing and that's what's fun about it.

Enjoy.

[Telfer]

I have heard from tons of rumor sites that at some point last season, they re-hired the creative team and scrapped the secrets and decided to just make new ones or whatever. Is this true? I heard it like, everywhere.

[Mike McKeown]

I'm not as up on the production rumors as others, but it seems they've had to re-work some story lines along the way. For instance, Ana Lucia and Eko (from Season 2) both had potential but were quickly disposed of, for contract reasons or whatever (someone clarify if I'm screwing that up).

As for the writing, on the most recent podcast (offical ABC podcast) Executive Producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse mention that they were recently working a few late nights writing the 2-hour season finale. So apparently they're still working out some of the story as they go.

[MSutton]

Eko asked to leave the show. He is from London and in the last year, both of his parents died. He had been working on a screenplay that he put on hold to do LOST and wanted to go back to that passion. They wrote him out at his request.

[zartan]

I have heard from tons of rumor sites that at some point last season, they re-hired the creative team and scrapped the secrets and decided to just make new ones or whatever. Is this true? I heard it like, everywhere.

Not true. Just watch the show, and quit reading rumors.

[HeatherConnelly]

Yeah, actually, avoid reading stuff alltogether.

Lost is a dish best served unspoiled.

[Miss Mason]

1) That PvPOnline comic is awesome.

2) That picture on the Abbott's desk had him and the old lady that told Desmond about his future sight thing.

3) Lest we forget that Kate is hot...

Missed the picture. Thanks Chip.

[HeatherConnelly]

Re: the picture---> We were watching it on Le DVR and were able to pause on the picture on the desk...and laughed out loud at what a bad photoshop job it is! Have you seen the screencap? It's three cutout elements: the monk, the woman and a background. They're not even lit the same way, they look all cut-out--- it's really random. But, the point it's trying to make is really cool and intriguing.

I thought last night's episode was really super, actually. That was one of the best uses of the flashback motif I've seen yet: Interesting, succinct and relevant to the island storyline. I really fell in love with Desmond and Penny as a couple watching their meeting scene; I hadn't felt that strongly about them before.

And speaking of great scenes in acting terms of "wants" and "goals"? Kate and Jack in the kitchen was subtexterriffic! Her trying to seduce him, him trying to hurt her. Great show.

[Evan]

Re: the picture---> We were watching it on Le DVR and were able to pause on the picture on the desk...and laughed out loud at what a bad photoshop job it is! Have you seen the screencap? It's three cutout elements: the monk, the woman and a background. They're not even lit the same way, they look all cut-out--- it's really random. But, the point it's trying to make is really cool and intriguing.


I thought it was a pretty bad photoshopping job, too. But that got me thinking. Sure, it's interesting if the monk has a photo of himself with that old lady on his desk, but how much more interesting is it if he created a bad photoshop picture of himself with the old lady so he can put it on his desk? That's right, maybe it's supposed to be a photoshopped picture. You never can tell with this show.

As for the rest of the show, I never believed for a minute that Desmond would let Charlie die, so it lacked the intended tension for me. It will be fun to have a new character from the real world to find out about.

Evan

[PatTracy]

As for the rest of the show, I never believed for a minute that Desmond would let Charlie die, so it lacked the intended tension for me.

I admittedly was pretty tense leading up to Charlie setting off the trap. There was a convo in the earlier in the episode where the monk mentioned to Desmond the importance of sacrifice. I thought it may be foreshadowing that Desmond was going to throw himself in front of the arrow a la The Bodyguard, and save Charlie's life. Desmond hadn't been a major part of the show the last few episodes, so I thought they maybe were giving him the spotlight one last time before he kicked the bucket. I feel like that's what they did when Ecko bit it...

Anyway, I was wrong, and I'm glad. Desmond's a great character. Charlie can't die soon enough for me, though. I think he's really obnoxious and uninteresting. Am I the only one who feels this way?

I too am interested to see what happens with the island's newest resident. Is she part of the Portuguese-speaking lookout team who noticed the quaking set off by Desmond turning the key?

[Arnie]

I also think Charlie should die. But he probably won't.

[JPanic]

I get the feeling Charlie might bite it in that episode called "Greatest Hits".

Also, something I just realized from Juliet's episode a few weeks ago where we see the fully functional communications station. One of the TV screens covering the disappearance of the Oceanic flight shows a reporter and a "WN" logo in the lower right corner. I was thinking maybe "Widmore News", making Penny's dad somehow directly responsible for it all?

[macarthur31]

In terms of the death pool (SPOILER BELOW IN INVISI-INK):

One fan-site reports that 5 characters will bite it. I can't recall if it was BuddyTv, or Dark UFO. Ugh, I visit these places because I love the mystery discussion, but I can't resist looking at rumors/spoilers.

The same forum had a media link to an US Weekly interview with the actress that plays Sun. She reported that she just bought a house in Hawaii, and joked with the producers that if she gets killed off, then they're on the hook for it. To her surprise the producers agreed to her "demand."

I like Desmond. I also like seeing Jack and Sawyer get along.

[sammy]

Mac, I didn't highlight it. How spoilery is it?

[Admin]

It just says that Kate is going to die.

[macarthur31]

Mac, I didn't highlight it. How spoilery is it?

Not too spoilery. There's no specific mention of who/what gets axed.

[Del Close's Skull]

Please....the only thing getting axed is your free time. Read a book, nerds.

[zartan]

Might I recommend "Catch 22" as a good book? Anyone? I just read the portugeuse edition, and it was even better than the original!

High five to my nerds! High five!

[Crescent]

JP that theory is pretty cool! I wish I was better about catching stuff like that.

and books are for the unpopular kids.

just kidding. sort of.

[pHJason]

One of the theories I heard is that because Desmond saved Charlie, fate changed who the parachuter was and that it originally could have been Penny, had Desmond let Charlie die.

Not sure if I buy that, but that girl is definitely looking for Desmond. She had the picture of him and Penny and said "Desmond" to him when he took her helmet off.

I am also curious how they are going to reconcile the whole "Claire is the only successful pregnancy on the island" bit when Rousseau claims to have had Alex on the island as well. Why are they leaving that part out?

I am telling you right now Juliette is bad. This is like the Snape argument in Harry Potter. She's with them. Ben showed her something or promised her a way home if she did something and just like Michael the promise of something like that is too much for her to say no to. She likes Jack but Jack's not enough for her, she wants to go home and see her sister. She will do something awful I am sure of it. That's going to be great because Jack will be f-d over again by another woman.

And where is that delightful Rose?

[zartan]

I think the key to the pregnancies on the island is that the problem is at conception (as stated by Juliette). It's the sperm or the act of conception itself (within the boundaries of the island) that creates instability in the fetus. Rosseau, like Claire and Sun, was probably already pregnant before she arrived on the island.

I don't think we'll ever know whether Penny would have showed up if Desmond let Charlie die. At the time, however, Desmond was convinced that he had to let destiny take his course or he would miss finding who he thought was Penny. That was the Catch-22, but destiny ended up playing a dirty joke on Desmond because it wasn't Penny afterall. I don't think it would have been her anyway; Charlie got lucky, and so did Desmond.

Rose and Bernard wanted more screen-time, but the producers couldn't work it in, so they chose to take some time off and do other acting gigs. The unofficial word from producers D&C is that they are down the coast living in their own private little area.

[pinoy3D]

Am I missing something? Does Penny even know how to fly a helicopter? If so, when did they reveal that?

[zartan]

You aren't missing anything. It wasn't Penny who parachuted onto the island.

If it had been Penny, she could have easily been a passenger on the helicopter... or she could have been the pilot, but it would have been the first time we learned that she could fly a helicopter.

[Mike McKeown]

I doubt Penny was ever the parachutist or even a passenger on the helicopter.

Two assumptions:

1) The helicopter crashed so whoever else was on it died (it was a good distance out in the ocean to swim to shore). I'd hate to think they'd kill off Penny that way. Personally, I'm hoping for a nice Penny/Des reunion soon.

2) The helicopter people are somehow in cahoots with Dharma or The Others, and maybe it crashed (or appeared to crash) on purpose. Perhaps anyone else in the helicopter was picked up by some rescue craft with The Others (although I've lost track if they have any boats left). Could be an interesting twist if this new girl isn't there to rescue Des, but rather capture him for some reason yet to be revealed.

Looking forward to tonight's episode.

[pHJason]

The only problem with the "pregnant before the island" theory is that wasn't Sun barren before the island?

[Mike McKeown]

Sun was not barren. It was actually Jin whose boys couldn't swim. In that flashback episode the doctor told them it was Sun who was barren, but later he found Sun and told her it was actually Jin who had the problem. It was something in their culture where it is offensive to tell a man that he is the cause of their infertitily. So I think Jin has always been under the impression that Sun was barren.

[DiMarco]

Sun came to the island pregnant, so she should be fine. She got knocked up by the hotel owner's son just before heading off on the three hour tour. Jin doesn't know about that or his broken swimmers, so he thinks the kid is his.

Unless.... Walt impregnated Sun with his mind before boating off into the sunset! That kid had some freaky powers.

[Evan]

I thought it was implied that the island's healing powers blessed Jin with renewed fertility. Or at least that was a possibility, so we don't know for sure if the hotel owner's son is the father. I hear we find out tonight.

And I echo the "what about Alex" question.

Evan

[DiMarco]

You're right about what was implied, I was just trying to state my opinion as fact so that when it turns out that way, I look smart.

If it doesn't turn out that way, I'll edit the above post to link to Silly Cat Comix - Silly Cat Comix are the ONLY comix to provide FUN and SAFETY.

[pinoy3D]

2) The helicopter people are somehow in cahoots with Dharma or The Others, and maybe it crashed (or appeared to crash) on purpose. Perhaps anyone else in the helicopter was picked up by some rescue craft with The Others (although I've lost track if they have any boats left). Could be an interesting twist if this new girl isn't there to rescue Des, but rather capture him for some reason yet to be revealed.

Looking forward to tonight's episode.

I think the helicopter people goes back to the last episode before the long break. I think it really was a rescue and they're connected to the people at Antarctic radio station (Is that where they were?). I think Penny sent them, with a picture for reference because I bet they never met Desmond before.

[guillaume]

The dialogue in this episode was pretty horrible.

I felt bad for how they handled Sun. I can imagine my fem. lit professor from college going on a tirade on the burden of female characters

Why would they need to get a sample from Kate?

Hasn't she been their prisoner 2 times in the last 2 weeks?

[HeatherConnelly]

Yes she was their prisoner, during which she boinged Sawyer and got a load of his maximum strength island sperm. Some things might have changed in Kate recently.

[Carr]

Why would they need to get a sample from Kate?



They need to get a sample from Kate to see if she's been pregnant because she's been doin' it w/ Sawyer who now has super-island-sperm.

The did it right at the end of when she was prisoner the first time, and maybe the second time they didn't have the medical equiptment with them and/or all that other crap was going on?


Erin

[ScottRoss]

What's up with Sonic Ear-Bleeder being alive?

Also, I like that Hurley even knew that Locke had pushed him through the sonic thing and killed him. It always seems like there is no communication going on, so good to hear that they talked about killing that guy. It would have driven me nuts if two groups had seen this dude but neither knew about it.

[Mike McKeown]

When Mikhail was fixing up Naomi (parachutist) he mentioned that she'd be fine in about a day, saying something about things healing quicker on the island. So, does the fact that he's alive mean that the island's healing powers are THAT powerful? If so, what about everyone else that's been killed on the show? Is the idea of coming back to life something similar to the consequences of getting pregnant on vs. off the island? They REALLY need to explain how Mikhail is alive.

Also, the new flight 815 reveal was great. Opens up some interesting questions/scenarios.

[PatTracy]

What's up with Sonic Ear-Bleeder being alive?

Does this mean, with the island's supernatural healing power, that nobody really dies? Perhaps the island exclusively decides when it's someone's time to go?

I doubt that theory is true, but it'd be cool to see a bunch of un-dead Losties and Others roaming the island seeking revenge.

[PatTracy]

When Mikhail was fixing up Naomi (parachutist) he mentioned that she'd be fine in about a day, saying something about things healing quicker on the island. So, does the fact that he's alive mean that the island's healing powers are THAT powerful? If so, what about everyone else that's been killed on the show? Is the idea of coming back to life something similar to the consequences of getting pregnant on vs. off the island? They REALLY need to explain how Mikhail is alive.

Ugh, I'm hella slow on the draw. But yeah, totally!

[yurwitz]

They really weren't able to examine Mikhail when he ran into the fence, they just assumed (as we did) that he was dead. He probably knew that it would f him up, but that it wouldn't kill him and that he would heal okay, making it a painful yet effective way to escape.

So did they "fake" another flight 815 wreckage? Was it mistaken identity on the wreckage? Is it a space/time continuum thing? What happens when Michael/Walt make it back to civilization, or when Jack had shown up in the real world had the submarine not been blown up? Were they ever really going to make it back to civilization? So many more questions, but I liked the episode.

And I loved, the "I hate you" at the end of Juliet's message to Ben. I think she'll turn on him in minor ways (not become totally good, just do her thing to hurt him in small doses).

[JPanic]

Here's how I think it went down:

Flight 815 crashes on island,
Others send message back to home base/Jacob/whomever's in charge,
The people in charge outside the island stage a "discovery" of the crashed plane, and leading the coverage is the news station owned by Widmore (one of the reporters covering the crash from Juliet's episode a few weeks ago worked for "WN" when they were reporting it as a disappearance),
So no one knows they are on the island and would have no reason to search for them there - except someone with close ties to Widmore such as Penny.

As for Juliet, I'm hoping she pulls an Irene Lew at the end of Ninja Gaiden and turns on her boss. I apologize for excessive nerdiness of that statement. I'm frustrated in not knowing whether I should like or hate her. I'm learning towards like, though.

This pregnancy issue seems like the hurdle standing in the way of the Others creating their perfect civilization on the island they're hoping is in place before the world goes bonkers.
I think whoever leads this new civilization/religion/cult will be the guy we find out has four toes (that statue that never got fully built) and that they plan on whittling down the population by ultimately killling off people that aren't truly loyal (which they determine by branding people like they did to Juliet).

Whew. Time to stop thinking and go back to work.

[Evan]

I hear the thing the downed helicopter pilot said to Mikhail in Portugeuse was "I am not alone." Can anyone confirm?

Loved the 815 reveal at the end. Great more info/more questions type of deal.

I like how Juliette is so direct with Sun. And yet, you still can't trust what she says.

The Sun flashback didn't add much info, but it did reveal that Sun is responsible for Jin getting sucked into evildoing for her father. So she's culpable in her own bad marriage.

It will be good to have Locke back soon.

I think this second half of the season has been very strong.

Evan

[zartan]

I heard that the translation is, "There are others", which is essentially the same thing.

[pinoy3D]

Well, you can automatically assume that there more than one person in the helicopter. Judging from her uniform, she must be in the military, or at least highly funded flying in a high tech helicopter. If so, wouldn't it take at least two people pilot that thing. And if they were looking for Desmond, then there would definitely be more people in that helicopter. One person to fly, the other(s) to navigate. I doubt that she is even the one flying. If she was the pilot, why would she need a book to read?

[sammy]

Upcoming Lost episodes:

THE BRIG (Locke-centric)
After abandoning the Others, Locke takes Sawyer on a trek through the jungle to help him eliminate a common enemy. Meanwhile, back at the beach, the parachutist Naomi has crucial information about flight 815.

upcoming eps...

THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (Ben-centric)
Ben unwillingly divulges information to Locke about the island, taking him on a journey to various locations including strange monuments and the mysterious Jacob. Back at the beach, Juliet's secret is revealed. Flashbacks will show us the origins of DHARMA and the history of the island, including 'the purge.'
GREATEST HITS (Charlie-centric)While Jack devises a plan to do away with “The Others” once and for all, Sayid uncovers a flaw in “The Others” system that could lead to everyone’s rescue. However, the plan requires Charlie to take on a dangerous task that may make Desmond’s premonition come true.

THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS (2-hour Season Finale! Jack-centric)
(sammy: Hmmm. Another Jack flashback? This better be good.)

[Chip]

Re: Greatest Hits - Gotta wonder what sort of task that Sayid would require Charlie for?

Charlie, I've discovered a musical sequence that, when played, will cause sonic vibrations to disrupt the smoke monster. Coincidentally, it's the melody to "You all everybody". Get your guitar.

[Mike McKeown]

The synopsis for "The Man Behind the Curtain" seems like it has potential to clue us into a lot of the history/mysteries of the island. I hope it doesn't disappoint, seeing as we've all spent so much time forming our own theories of Jacob and Dharma history. I'm also intrigued by what the circumstances are that make Ben divulge information to Locke.


Chip, I'm with you on the Charlie thing in "Greatest Hits" That would be hilarious.

[Monahan]

Tonight's episode is apparently "the biggest of the season" according to the Hollywood scuttlebutt (sp?).

[zartan]

Actually, I don't think it's unreasonable that Charlie use his music skills to pacify smoke monster. We know that the sonic fence repels it, so it doesn't like sound waves. And some have assumed that smokey = "cerberus" written on the blacklight map. Cerberus, the three-headed dog of mythology, was always defeated by lulling it so sleep with a song.

[sammy]

oh, man.

Lost is bringing it.

After a slow start, it's a season that just keeps building and building.

Preview for next week and some screenshots.
(http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/05/man-behind-curtain-us-trailer.html)

[Chip]

So, the Dharma flashbacks are next week, eh? Let's all raise a can of beer in memory of Roger Workman!

-Chip

[sammy]

Let's all raise a can of beer in memory of Roger Workman!

Cheers!
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[Mike McKeown]

So much good stuff to talk about in this episode. I really like that we found out the whole deal (or most of it) with Locke's dad. I want to assume his car crash/blackout that landed him on the island was something coordinated by this bigger "network" the others seem to have had contact with in the real world. I also like how they let the dad get out that much of the story before Sawyer killed him. I'd be pretty disappointed if they didn't ask any questions about how he got to the island before killing him. I was at least satisfied with the mystery surrounding that and how they explained it.

Also interesting how Locke's dad thinks they're in hell and Naomi's "no survivors" story might indicate something similar. I don't really believe that, though, that they're in hell/purgatory. Didn't the producers even dispell that theory at one point?

[Chip]

I think they dispelled the purgatory thing, but I don't specifically recall if they said anything about hell. I think the hell thing is just a red herring.


Also, WTF was Juliet wanting to tell Kate that Jack said it wasn't time for?!?

-Chip

[zartan]

I think Juliet wants to tell Kate that she is pregnant.

[Mike McKeown]

I think Jack knows about the Others' plan to raid the Losties camp. I think they let him in on it and he's pretending to play along because of his bigger plans to help save everyone. I think Juliet was suggesting that Jack let Kate in on the secret. Juliet mentioned in Ben's tape that she needs to get a sample from Kate, so it's probably in her best interest to stay on Kate's good side and not raise too much suspicion on herself.

I also think Juliet is trying to play Ben for her own purposes (she obvioulsy hates him). Could be interesting if Juliet and Jack think they're on the same page, but once the Others show up, shit hits the fan when we find out each of their true intentions. From the preview it looks like they'll be clearing the air back at camp.

[PatTracy]

Also, WTF was Juliet wanting to tell Kate that Jack said it wasn't time for?!?

I feel like the Jack and Juliet may have a rescue plan already in place. What that plan would be, I have no idea.

The previews for next week showed some sort of group meeting where Sawyer calls out Juliet about being mole...using the dictaphone as evidence, etc. I'm assuming that when Sawyer chews her out in front of everybody, she'll reveal some sort of plan that will save them all and prove that she's a good person. Jack will have her back, and everyone will be faced with the choice of believing Jack or Sawyer.

I get the feeling next week's episode will answer a lot of questions. I can't wait!

I thought this week's episode was pretty good. The possible Sawyer/Papa Locke connection had been brought up quite a bit, so I wasn't all that surprised when that was revealed. Good stuff, either way.

Did anyone else think Naomi's futuristic RadioPhone looked a lot like the new iPhone?

[Evan]

First off, I am very much liking these recent episodes. There's a lot of good stuff in here.

Secondly, it seems to me that the producers keep flipping fans the bird. "You don't like Paulo and the other new girl? Then we'll bury them alive! You think Sawyer is getting wimpy? Then we'll have him murder Locke's dad!" Poor Sawyer, he's getting the brush off from Kate and Locke is using him to do his murdering. Still, that was a fun meaty acting scene.

The only way Locke ends up with the tape recorder to give to Sawyer is if Ben wants Juliette to be found out. Which creates this problem of "everything that happens is because Ben wants it to happen." I hope Ben is out-manipulated sometime soon.

I also find I have reached a pitying stage in this show. Of course, I should have felt bad all along for these folks stuck on an island, but Sawyer, Locke, Jack and Kate have recently become pitiful. These poor people. I'm just saying, it's becoming an odd vibe. I hope it's just setting up them taking some control over their lives and fate sometime soon.

I can't wait to find out what Juliette and Jack know that they won't share with Kate. I would think the fact that Kate is pregnant might be it, but that wasn't really relevant to what Kate was telling them. Maybe they know something about how the real world interacts with the island.

And certainly Rousseau showing up to take some dynamite is significant. They really underplayed that. She's still a wildcard.

It should be an awesome few weeks for Lost.

Evan

[sammy]

Out of curiousity, anyone have a few candidates for the deathpool? Supposedly a couple folks are supposed to bite it by the end of the season. My candidates:

Losties:
Charlie - because, well, why not.
Sayid - actor is feeling kinda meh about show of late
Sawyer - he resolved his Daddy issue
Kate - she had sex on the Island! time to die ala Shannon and Ana Lucia

Others:
Mr. Friendly - payback for seeing his wanger in Sideways
Ben - finally outmaneuvered by Locke? or Jack?
Patchy - but would be kind of a wash since he "died" before.
Alex's Boyfriend - tragic but not all that impactful to us. still a legit target.

[Mike McKeown]

Sammy, your death pool topic made me think of a quick tangent...

So, we now know enough about the fertility issue and why the Other's snatch women in the middle of the night. But what about the children? I wonder if they took the kids for future use as some sort of bargaining chip if the Losties ever become a major threat to the Others...one of those "do as we say or the kids get it" scenarios. It's sort of fucked up, but the way Ben's been acting lately, I wouldn't put it past him.

[pinoy3D]

I would bet Charlie and/or Juliet as the latest casualties on the island. Also, do any of you think is Locke's dad is really dead? It seems as if the only people on the island that stay dead are the ones who get shot or attacked by the smoke monster. Oh, I miss Eko.

[hixx]

If Sawyer dies, I will cry like that little American Idol girl.


Hixx

[HeatherConnelly]

I liked the detail of Sawyer not wearing his shoes. His feet getting cut up and cooling them in the water felt profound. The whole journey had a ritual feel to it, like a trial.

I'm interested in how fulfilling his chosen destiny will affect him as a character.

[aneg]

because i'm very very weak, i read the spoilers for the season finale. uhm. it's going to be awesome.

[sammy]

oh man.

I'm too weak to be weak.

I want to read the spoilers but can't.

I don't want to ruin it for myself.

[Urlakis]

I think it would be interesting if certain types of people (maybe having to do with if they’re ‘good’ or ‘bad’) don’t stay dead on the island – they regenerate and come back to life after a couple days. We already know that people heal faster on the island and this would explain Eye Patch being alive again and Dr. Shepard walking around in Season 1. Also, the producers said at one point that Paulo and Nicky would have a big impact on the series. What happened to them – they were buried alive. What if all of the people the survivors have buried up to this point have regenerated only to be buried alive in their graves and die again and again?

[HeatherConnelly]

because i'm very very weak, i read the spoilers for the season finale. uhm. it's going to be awesome.


Stay far, far away from me, spoiler-girl. I don't even like knowing whose flashback it's going to be.

[Jordana]

I think the thing that Juliet wanted Jack to tell Kate had something to do with rescue. The looks she was giving him during that scene were significant, and although Jack said a big "What?!" when told of Naomi's arrival, he/Juliet didn't look *that* shocked. Instead, he was much more focused on the logistics ("How?"). It seemed like they almost expected it. However, this is super complex as I completely buy Naomi's Penelope Widmore story...

When Jack said "How were they going to contact rescue" and Kate said "Jack, don't you get it? Your friends..." and Jack cut her off with "HOW?", Kate should've realized something was up. I SO wanted her to get a fearful look in her eye, back away & realize that Jack can't be trusted. Instead she just went ahead and told him "the phone radio thing-y" and I was like "Noooooo!"

Weird that I really don't like Jack right now, although I'm sure that's exactly how TPTB want me to feel.

And I def think Locke's dad's car crash was a set-up. I really really really hope they're not all dead. That would just be lame.

[sammy]

Talk about a paradigm shift. This is almost HBO- / BBC-style programming, i.e. fewer eps for shorter seasons...

From Variety.com:

'Lost' set for three more years

ABC hit expires in 2010

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In a potentially paradigm-shifting play, ABC has agreed to let the producers of "Lost" set an expiration date for the series -- three years in the future.

Skein will now wrap after the production of 48 additional episodes that will be divided into three, shortened 16-episode seasons. Final episode -- the show's 119th -- will air during the 2009-10 season.


In conjunction with the advance order, "Lost" showrunners Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have inked hefty new multi-year overall deals with ABC Television Studio to continue with the series until the end. Duo had made setting a wrap date for the show a condition for staying.
Lindelof and Cuse had wanted "Lost" to end after two more seasons. They're essentially still getting their wish: The 48 episodes they'll produce over the next three years is the same number the show produced during its first two seasons.


ABC execs, however, came up with a way to keep "Lost" on its sked for three more seasons. What's more, the 16-episode arcs will run without repeats (a la "24"), allowing the Alphabet to make the show more of an event.


"In considering the powerful storytelling of 'Lost,' we felt this was the only way to give it a proper creative conclusion," ABC Entertainment prexy Steve McPherson said.


"I always said that we would allow the series to grow and give viewers the most compelling hour possible," he added. "And, due to the unique nature of the series, we knew it would require an end date to keep the integrity and strength of the show consistent throughout, and to give the audience the payoff they deserve. "


McPherson also acknowledged that getting Lindelof and Cuse to reup "was critical to me and the network."


ABC Television Studio prexy Mark Pedowitz shared that sentiment.
"We wanted to make sure we had the team responsible for its success in place for not only the run of the show, but so that each of their future series creations have a home at the studio after 'Lost,' " Pedowitz said.
J.J. Abrams, who co-created "Lost" with Lindelof, defected to Warner Bros. TV last year and has been focusing on a new slate of TV and film projects, including the revival of the "Star Trek" franchise for Paramount Pictures. He told Daily Variety that he fully supported the advance wrap decision.


"It is the right choice for the series and its viewers," he said via an email message. "It takes real foresight and guts to make a call like this. I applaud ABC and Touchstone for making this happen."


Lindelof and Cuse, who are putting the finishing touches on the third-season finale, released a joint statement praising what they termed "a bold and unprecedented move for ABC" and thanking McPherson and Pedowitz for making it.


Cuse added that he hoped more shows will be able to follow the "Lost" lead and declare an end date.


"I think for story-based shows like 'Lost,' as opposed to franchise-based shows like 'ER' or 'CSI,' the audience wants to know when the story is going to be over," Cuse wrote. "When J.K. Rowling announced that there would be seven 'Harry Potter' books, it gave the readers a clear sense of exactly what their investment would be. We want our audience to do the same."


Cuse confirmed that devising an exit strategy for "Lost" was key to reupping with ABC Television Studio.


"In making this deal, Damon and I had two priorities: defining an end point for the show and keeping the quality bar high," Cuse said. "To do that we are both fully committed to the day-to-day running of the show right up until the very end. It's also why the 16 episodes per year was key for us. Because our show is so mythological, and because, unlike '24,' we can't reset each season, we need the extra time fewer episodes affords us to really plan out the specifics of our storytelling."


Lindelof and Cuse made public their desire for an end date during the TV Critics Assn. press tour last winter (Daily Variety, Jan. 15).


Cuse and Lindelof also wanted an end date in order to mollify critics of the show who worried producers were simply spinning their wheels as they worked through the show's layer upon layer of mystery.


ABC execs had already been talking to the producers about the idea, but they seemed taken aback when Lindelof and Cuse made the conversations public.


Indeed, it would be understandable if ABC execs had been initially cool to the concept of an early end date.


After all, with major hits a rarity in the network game, the rule is to keep hits on the air until every last ounce of success has been squeezed from them (e.g., "ER" or "The X-Files").


And despite relentless media snarking this season -- and the fact that "Lost" has lost a chunk of its fall 2005 audience -- the series is still a top-15 hit that dominates its 10 p.m. Wednesday timeslot in key demos.
In its third season, it's still drawing as many young viewers as NBC's newer, more buzzed-about "Heroes" -- and that's not counting the roughly 2.1 million viewers who watch the show after its live broadcast or via free streaming on ABC.com.


ABC could be establishing a new formula by which nets find success through serving up skeins with more and more audacious concepts but shorter lifespans than the traditional network hit.


Already, the traditional syndie business model -- the one that required studios to produce 100 episodes of a show in order to recoup their investment -- seems to be fading away in an age of instant downloads and universal streaming.


That may be one reason, according to Lindelof, that McPherson and Pedowitz "never argued that the show should keep going and going. The issue has always been when it would end and how far out in front of that ending should we herald it."


As for "Lost," show's end game is expected to kick into high gear later this month with the broadcast of the season finale. Details of the plot are under wraps, but a person who has read the script described it as a major shakeup to the plot.


"It changes everything," the person said.


Nothing's official yet, but ABC has all but said that the fourth season of "Lost" won't premiere until January or February of next year.

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Roger Work Man had no comment

[Inkling]

Also, the producers said at one point that Paulo and Nicky would have a big impact on the series. What happened to them – they were buried alive.

Holy shit, what if Paulo and Niki are Adam and Eve?

[Monahan]

Holy shit, what if Paulo and Niki are Adam and Eve?

Then that would account for the general stupidity of mankind...

[Sri_Casimir]

I can't imagine three more seasons! Arrgh! If the last is a major suckfest that ends in a Purgatorial dream inside a vegetative Hurley, I would just spit for making me go through a three season build-up.

[Sri_Casimir]

Holy shit, what if Paulo and Niki are Adam and Eve?

Yeah, a ZOMBIE Adam and Eve!

[zartan]

There is a slight problem with them being Adam and Eve. Logic.

[HeatherConnelly]

Not unless there's some sort of magnetic anomaly that maintains the island in a perpetual time loop of 108 days!!! Jeez!

[jbenparker]

Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve. The original writers have stated that's what they intended. They no longer work for the show. Things may have changed.

If there is a time loop, then Jack is Jacob and Aaron is Ben. Ben has repeatedly said that he was born on the island.

[Chip]

Wait, who is Jacob? I'm lost. (tee hee)

[Admin]

Omg Lost Is On Tonight!

[Chip]

Seriously, who is Jacob? I don't know that name.

-Chip

[JPanic]

God loves you as he loved Jacob, Chip.

Ummm, did you see the episode where Sawyer/Kate/Alex busted Alex's boyfriend out of a brainwashing session? The above phrase was one of the "messages" in it.

Ben has also referenced Jacob a few times as some kind of higher power type. Like a prophet or something.

As for tonight's episode, I started to wonder if Ben's flashbacks might be unreliable narrator-type flashbacks. He seems to lie often - I think that would be interesting if his flashbacks were the only ones in the show that weren't entirely true.

[zartan]

We should actually meet Jacob tonight... or at least hear more about him.

I don't think that Lost writers should EVER do an unreliable narrator flashback. A fundamental rule of storytelling is to not deceive the audience by denying the established reality.

[Mike McKeown]

I'm REALLY hoping that the reveal of Jacob won't be a big disappointment. I have a feeling that, in true Lost fashion, this episode will be mostly Dharma/Ben stuff and they'll hit us with something new and crazy about Jacob in the last 15 seconds of the episode. One of my personal theroies is that Jacob is Ben's brother (the bad twin).

I've also decided to stop reading any rumors/spoilers for the rest of the season. It's taking a lot of will power.

[HeatherConnelly]

I'm sure it will be a fun epsiode tonight, but I'm afraid it's gonna be all Radioactive Man#1: ("I'm becoming...radioactive!""From now on, I shall be Radioactive Man!" Milhouse (in awe): "So that's how it happened!")

In that, I feel as though there's not a whole lot about Dharma that they can tell us that we can't already sort of guess. I agree with Mike that it'll probably be a cool story with only a whiz-pow revelation in the last 15 seconds. Man! I wish I didn't have rehearsal tonight! I wanna get my Lost on.

And yeah, Chip. Zeke/Mr. Friendly/Tom called Jacob a "great man". If you're into some of the theories (I don't do spoilers but I love me some theories) it's bounced around that our Losties are all brainwashed somehow, the flashbacks are implanted into their minds, and one of them is Jacob waiting to re-emerge. Much like Lion-O with the Thundercats. I think.

[Monahan]

In that, I feel as though there's not a whole lot about Dharma that they can tell us that we can't already sort of guess.

I don't know. I think that tonight will define the true relationship between Dharma and the Others, and I don't think that that relationship has been obvious to us yet.

[Chip]

Much like Lion-O with the Thundercats. I think.

Alright, there's a metaphor I can understand!

-Chip

[Manley]

In the episode where Jack is performing the surgery on Ben, Zeke (?) refers to Jack as "Not even on Jacob's list"

The list we keep hearing reference to. MAybe we'll find out what it is tonight.

Interesting note: There is no one cast in the role of "Jacob" for tonight's episode.

[Mike McKeown]

Interesting note: There is no one cast in the role of "Jacob" for tonight's episode.

Sometime last week I was reading some spoilers (or rumors) page and saw that Jacob WAS cast. I was disappointed in myself for reading that far ahead. Maybe the name in the casting was a decoy or rumor. Hopefully it was, because if we do end up seeing Jacob, I'd still like to be somewhat surprised.

[sammy]

oh noes!

ben ganked locke!

[Chip]

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/f/ff/3X10_Roger.jpg

Let's all raise a glass to Locke!

-Chip

P.S. WTF?!?

[pinoy3D]

P.S. WTF?!?

RIGHT!!!! I did not see that coming.

[sammy]

to forestall the inevitable screenshot request...

the brief apparition of Jacob


http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7438/persfh6.jpg

[Chip]

Kris Kristofferson?

[zartan]

It looks like Locke with a beard and a wig. Or Alvar Hanso.

[Monkey Girl]

Look at that chin. It's gotta be Bruce Campbell, y'alls.

[sammy]

A couple of websites played with light levels, contrast, etc.

The re-re-re-digitized image is super blurry, but I think we can better figure out who Jacob is now...



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/191/492075049_3c427fa862_o.jpg

[sammy]

well, I tried.

tons of screenshots here.
(http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/)

[Chip]

Help me...

[yurwitz]

wow. I need to go back and watch this one again. I love how they killed so many theories right off the bat (our aaron-is-ben time-loop theory, for one). So add Ben to the list of characters with Daddy issues. The Work Man thing was a good touch.

I don't believe the shot at Locke is fatal. I haven't decided on whether I like how they presented Jacob, but I'm not sure what would have worked there the way they built it up.

The Juliet story line is playing out how I thought it would. I like it. While I still think Kate is smoking hot, I have a thing for Juliet. Does that mean I'm getting old?

[Griggs]

I hate this stupid show.

It makes me so mad.

The only reason I'm still watching is because I've already invested too much in it and I want to see how it turns out.

However...

If Locke is dead, I'm done.

[Evan]

No way Locke is dead or dying. The island will heal him.

It seems like there's a theme of killing your father in this show. And Ben is linked to the island by killing his mother in childbirth.

It would appear the Others don't age. Am I right in thinking that? Richard (do I have the right name? The guy from Suddenly Susan) hasn't aged while Ben has.

If the smoke monster can take various forms (Jack's dad, Kate's horse, Eko's brother) and the smoke monster was Ben's mom, did he really see his mom outside his room? Because wouldn't the smoke monster be kept out by the fence?

In Jacob's cabin, they highlighted a picture of a dog. Perhaps the dog is the smoke monster (aka Cerberus)?

I can't quite figure out why Ben acted surprised that Locke couldn't see Jacob, but then was surprised that Locke had heard Jacob say, "Help me."

If anyone cares to answer these questions, it would be much appreciated.

It was a good episode, although the Jacob thing did feel like Locke was on his water skis and looking for a shark.

Evan

[Dave Ries]

Whoa! I didn't even notice Jacob. Could you only see him in HD? If so, that's horrible. If not, i don't know how I missed it. I just saw an empty cabin with what appeared to be mason jars full of nasty fluid.

Thanks for the stills...of the things I didn't even see.

Locke can't be dead. He's one of the most interesting characters on the show.

Killing Your Father Is A Theme! What if Jacob is Locke's real father? Maybe that's why his shadow looks like Locke. Maybe Alex gave Locke the gun because he would have to kill his own father...not his fake father. The fake father being old man in body bag.

Face it...we're gonna have to wait until the show is totally over to understand the full range of it.

[zartan]

We only assume that smokey can manifest itself into humans because it killed Ecko after Yemi appeared. However, it can't be stated conclusively that the havids and smoke monster are equivalent; we don't know if these are coporeal manifestationis of hallucinations or if smokey scans people and brings the data back to an entity or person that can process it and shapeshift.

[Griggs]

It was a good episode, although the Jacob thing did feel like Locke was on his water skis and looking for a shark.

Evan

Yep.

At first I thought they were doing a "Ben has a split personality" plot. I was relieved when Locke actually saw something in the chair.

Still, I feel like they're spinning their wheels. Each time they supposedly answer a question, they open doors for several more questions to be answered.

It's very frustrating.

Seriously, if Lost was your girlfriend/boyfriend, would you let them treat you like this?

[aneg]

1. holy crap. i love this show.

2. locke wont die, but, if he does, me and the show are over as well.

3. does anyone notice the alice in wonderland tie ins? ive been told there are a lot, last night i noticed one big one. i guess i need to reread through the lookingglass or something.

4. there was also a big painting of vincent (i think) in the cabin.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x20-curtain/2/curtain-cap491.jpg

[JPanic]

What's kind of strange is that in the Bible, I believe Esau was a gifted hunter/tracker type who kinda got screwed over by his father.

Kinda like Locke.

[Carr]

Well Ben is connected because he killed his mother, yes, but he also flat out killed his daddy too. Lest we forget.

I think Alex gave him the gun, not to protect Locke from Jacob, but to protect him from Ben.

Also, while there were maddening questions brought up, yes, at least we know where all the Dharma people went (slaughtered) and that the "Others" or at least some of them were the original inhabitants.

Also, I want to know how Ben got in charge. AND what happened to Annie, the girl who made the figure? I thought there would be a touching "what have I done?" moment when Ben came back to camp and stood over her dead body.

Erin

[Craig Cackowski]

Was anyone else hoping that Jacob would turn out to be the polar bear, and that he would speak to them in a deep, sonorous, yet kindly, voice?

[HeatherConnelly]

Was anyone else hoping that Jacob would turn out to be the polar bear, and that he would speak to them in a deep, sonorous, yet kindly, voice?

Hee! Unfortunately, the writers' influences are less C.S. Lewis and more Stephen King.

[aneg]

uhm, wasnt the gun alex gave locke the gun ben shot him with? so, it was more a gift for ben than locke, i guess. unless being shot gives locke more handsomebroodingbaldguy powers, then i am all for it.

[macarthur31]

This ep was certainly a mind-screw.

I'm ok with them giving us more mysteries. I'm a bit frustrated right now, but that just means I must be into the show. I've never watched it on DVD, but I'm sure it's a hella lot more satisfying than getting it morsel by morsel.

Other things of interest --

Did Richard's "pirate look" when he first met Ben past the sonic fence have any reference to Black Rock?

What was up with the ash-sniffing part -- Was that in reference to the Volcano lecture?

I would've liked to seen how Ben became king o' the hostiles. Was he mentored by Richard through the years?

The promo looked kick-aase. Even though Jack is smug, I still mark out for him.

[aneg]

why has richard not aged at all? is more the question raised for me.

[macarthur31]

why has richard not aged at all? is more the question raised for me.

Wasn't one of the Hanso Foundation' working on a "Life Extension Project"?

I'm also trying to get my head around the whole Jacob thing -- is that Locke in a wig? Please don't let that be Locke in a wig.

[Evan]

What was up with the ash-sniffing part

I thought that was gun powder, not ash. Is there some debate out there on the internets regarding whether it is ash or gunpowder?

Maybe it is what makes up the smoke monster.

I watched the scene with Jacob twice, but I think I need to go back and watch it some more. I didn't really see Jacob at all. I am also curious as to what eye we saw a close-up of. I read it is not Ben or Locke, so it must belong to Jacob, right?

I will say it was great to have the whispering voices return.

Evan

[aneg]

i think jacob in the chair was one of those hd only things theyve been talking baout.

[Monkey Girl]

I saw the quick flash of Jacob, and I just have regular cable.

Seriously. Its like a frickin flash, you blink and you miss it. Thank god for TiVo and being able to step between frames and pause.

Still, I'm totally creeped out.

CREEPED!

[Manley]

No, i saw it on my regular tv. It was real fast, and blurry (only 11 frames), but it was there. The camera was shaking and it looked like it could have been Ben, but it's not in the right spot.

This show is great. I'm done theorizing. I'm just enjoying the ride..

[macarthur31]

I'm also trying to get my head around the whole Jacob thing -- is that Locke in a wig? Please don't let that be Locke in a wig.

So maybe it is Locke in a wig... (http://lostpedia.com/images/7/78/Jacob_Locke_Comparison.jpg)

[guillaume]

I just rewatched the episode and in the very begining when Ben is playing with his birthday doll he says to richard "Its a birthday present, you remember birthdays don't you Richard?" and then Ben shot him a look. -There is definetly something that they are going to explore about how Richard should be about 40 or 50 now but looks like a haircut is all thats changed. Ben's dad definetly put on some years. Also why didn't Ben's dad even try the door handle when he saw he was abouut to be gassed?

Also Locke does look a lot like Jacob

[zartan]

Everyone seems to think it's ash. There are two theories:

1. The ash is used to contain a ghost.

2. The ash is volcanic, and thus, showing us that there are imperceptible noxious fumes that are causing hallucinations. i.e. No Jacob.

I think Richard's "pirate" look was more in keeping with them fooling D.I into thinking that they were natives. We see the same deception occur when the Losties meet the Others for the first time. For some reason, the others were costumed primitively. It's pretty clear that Richard and his friends were not actually natives, that's for sure.

Speaking of pirate looks. The frozen image of Jacob shows him wearing some pretty fancy pirate-ish clothes. I would say that this indicates HE might actually be someone from The Black Rock. Although, my guess is either Alvar Hanso (who has been missing for years) or his father Magnus. Hmmm....

[Monahan]

So maybe it is Locke in a wig... (http://lostpedia.com/images/7/78/Jacob_Locke_Comparison.jpg)

I think that thing that looks like a puffy clump of hair on the left side of Jacob's face is actually a monkey on his shoulder.

He's a pirate. With a monkey.

[aneg]

He's a pirate. With a monkey.
that's definitely probably it. you've solved the show!

[HeatherConnelly]

Thefuselage.com has been tied up since the episode aired! Rawr!

I want to read whisper transcripts! There were two whisper scenes! This show is insane.

[Jenstab]

I've developed a fun tradition of drinking a glass of wine or two during lost, and I must say it has really made it difficult to keep up with little things happening. I did notice richard didn't age, but as for the glimpse of Jacob I didn't see that at all.

I'm going to jump on board and say if locke is dead, I'm going to reconsider watching the show. I was a little tipsy and screaming at the t.v. when he got shot. There is too much more about locke they need to uncover.

Though, they killed libby off right after they showed that she was at the same mental institution as Hurley and they'll probably never touch back on that.

all i know is I love it.

[Mike McKeown]

I mentioned this in a previous post, but about a week or so ago I was reading a spoilers page and did see the name of the actor who was cast as Jacob. Not sure how accurate that info was, and when I went back to look again, it was taken down from the internet. But, I DID see a name of a real actor that was supposedly cast as Jacob. So I sort of knew what to be looking for, and that "man in the shadows" could definitley be the actor in question. PM me if you're dying for more speculation.

Now, I guess Jacob COULD be Locke...Lost has thrown some curveballs our way in the past. Is it completley ridiculous to think that Locke is Jacob and the "shadow man" we saw was actually Locke getting a glimpse of his future self? It's sounds ridiculous as I'm writing it, but Richard Alpert doesn't age, so who knows what the hell is going on. And why didn't they bury all the Dharma people and just leave them in a pit? Dramatic effect, sure, but I imagine that big pit of dead people was quite pungent. Ewww!

Also, Ben had himself a little girlfriend. Good stuff.

[Griggs]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2007/05/0510_lost5.jpg
Here's a little cleaner shot of Jacob.

I also read a rumor that 3 to 5 of the regular cast members will be killed before the end of the season.

[Chip]

So, I thought it was pretty conspicuous that we didn't see Annie as an adult before the Dharma Initiative was gassed. I'm willing to be she's somewhere on the island now.

As for Jacob, I think he looks a little bit like Dennis Hopper.

Also, are Michael and Walt out for good, like for contractual reasons? I always thought there was more to that story than we've seen.

-Chip

[aneg]

from what ive heard, walts parents tried to renegotiate his contract because the show was making him out to be the key to the island and they wanted more money, abc thought that was ridiculous and left them out of the season on purpose.

[Chip]

So, that's two seasons so far...or did he leave during season 2? No, I think it was during the finale of season 1 that he left, right?

Anyway, I hope they work something out. Now that they have a known time to wrap everything up, it'd be nice to know that they're going to tie all the little threads together.

-Chip

[Monahan]

I'm pretty sure Walt & Michael left at the end of Season 2... remember, on the dock with Jack, Sawyer & Kate being held captive?

As for Jacob, I think he looks like Jamey Sheridan... which would be a Stephen King connection cause he played the Devil in The Stand.

And that's definitely a pirate monkey. Or a pirate flower over his ear.

[Chip]

Ah yes, you're right. Season 1 was the hatch. Season 2 was the boat dock. That seems so long ago.

-Chip

[Jenstab]

I never thought about the idea of all of the "others" being pirates in some kind of curse where they never age and are stuck on the island.

but if the dharma project was over thrown, then how come they still have people coming to work on dharma associated projects. Like juliette. I also wonder why no woman has been able to give birth on the island.

[sammy]

but if the dharma project was over thrown, then how come they still have people coming to work on dharma associated projects.

The fertility issue is an Other issue, not a dharma issue. The Others are using Dharma's facitilities and their (unknown) off-island resources to fetch folks for specific purposes.

As for the fertility issue, there's a bajillion ways they could spin it: my top 2--the island's regeneration factor sees the fetus and subsequent body changes as a disease and tries to cure the pregnant woman OR Ben is so special the island is a reflection of his deep seated issues (babies killing mommies, whoopsies).

[sammy]

also, something to give you the heebie jeebies until next week...

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[Monahan]

This is terribly confusing... that voice sounds like Clancy Brown to me.

[pinoy3D]

I was hoping that Jacob would be the Rabbit.

why has Richard not aged at all? is more the question raised for me.

I was brushing up on the history of DHARMA and the Hanso Foundation through the Wikipedia and Lostpedia pages. Part of the initiative was a Life-Extension project. Remember Joop, the 105 year old orangutan?

[zartan]

But Richard wasn't even a part of DHARMA. That would imply that agelessness is a part of the island somehow. However, if that were the case, Ben wouldn't look so aged.

[yurwitz]

I'm not convinced that they were trying to go for an "agelessness" with Richard. I think they just did a really poor job at trying to make him look younger.

[Evan]

I'm not convinced that they were trying to go for an "agelessness" with Richard. I think they just did a really poor job at trying to make him look younger.

They must have been going for ageless. Richard currently looks younger than Ben, right? So when Ben was a boy, Richard would have been a younger boy, right? From the cars in the Ben flashback, I would have guessed he was born in the late 60s and was on the island in the early-to-mid 70s. I would say Richard look to be in his late 30s or early 40s at the oldest, and subtract 30 years from that and you would have an adolescent at the oldest. He must be aging slowly. There is no way Lost would be so sloppy as to do a bad job making someone look younger.

Evan

[ScottRoss]

There is no way Lost would be so sloppy as to do a bad job making someone look younger.


Agreed. They aged Ben's dad too well to have slipped up that much with Richard.

I wonder if we haven't seen the end of Locke for this season. There aren't too many episodes left and no one knows he's out there. I don't think they'll kill him off but it may be a cliff-hanger of sorts.

[Jordana]

I can't quite figure out why Ben acted surprised that Locke couldn't see Jacob, but then was surprised that Locke had heard Jacob say, "Help me."

If anyone cares to answer these questions, it would be much appreciated.

I'm pretty sure that Ben thought he was just putting on a show in the cabin - he thought there was no way in hell that Locke would see/hear Jacob, and that this would all work to Ben's advantage. Once Locke actually does obviously hear something a bit otherwordly, Ben realizes he's in much worse trouble then he originally imagined, that Locke actually IS special and that he needs to get rid of him.

I can't decide if Locke is dead. After bringing Mikhail (sp?) back from "the dead" so quickly, I doubt they would do the same for Locke. However, I guess we didn't see him totally die - so there is the off-chance that someone can come help him before he dies. FWIW, my vote is that he is dead, but I hope I'm wrong.

The whole Richard Alpert thing is awesome. I kind of felt over the last few episodes that he must be a pretty important character as they keep doing things with him every episode, although they're small. Now I hope that Annie is also somehow of an important character like this - they will really need to show her again as her/Ben's story is not finished!

Did anyone else notice the small Ben resemblance to a Mr. Harry Potter?

[JPanic]

I'm not convinced that they were trying to go for an "agelessness" with Richard. I think they just did a really poor job at trying to make him look younger.

I think Ben's comment to Richard along the lines of "You remember what it's like to celebrate birthdays, don't you?" would indicate that Richard somehow became ageless.

[Chip]

I don't get this. From CNN.com:

The survival of a major "Lost" character was left in doubt this week in an episode that shot adrenaline into the plot of the ABC series but failed to give it a needed ratings boost.

How is the content of an episode supposed to give the show a ratings boost? They didn't tell us Locke was getting shot beforehand, so how is that supposed to boost ratings? Wouldn't it boost next week's ratings?

-Chip

[pinoy3D]

But Richard wasn't even a part of DHARMA. That would imply that agelessness is a part of the island somehow. However, if that were the case, Ben wouldn't look so aged.

Maybe he was, along with the other hostiles. Do we really know how long DHARMA has been on that island? Maybe they were a part of the early stages the project, got fed up of living in that "gate community" and decided to rebel, cast themselves out and take revenge.

[macarthur31]

I don't get this. From CNN.com:



How is the content of an episode supposed to give the show a ratings boost? They didn't tell us Locke was getting shot beforehand, so how is that supposed to boost ratings? Wouldn't it boost next week's ratings?

-Chip


Chip, I think you're right on this. The epi got a boost because it promised that it would tell the DHARMA story, which seemed tailor made for answers. I've been deep deep into the spoilerage (by going to Dark UFO, etc) and I had no idea that Locke was going to get iced.

In terms of the ratings lag for the show this season, I'd tie it to a few factors:

The hiatus killed any momentum. (Which is solved for the next three years as they go the "24"/no-reruns route)
Some viewer exhaustion. For me, X-Files is the only comparable show to LOST in terms of the mythology/"truth is out there" payoff, and by the end of its run it was just the diehards that remained. I'd also say it's like Twin Peaks (mystery/supernatural), and that show died in two years. So, at this point, it seems like the right time for some viewers to start looking at other options. To the writer's credit, they have amped it up post-hiatus with some answers, and that may have brought some folks back.
The timeslot shift. You're usually going to lose folks in a timeslot switch. Also, it appears that by going to a later timeslot, LOST is upping the sex/violence, and moving away from the "family-friendly" adventure. The good news -- the 18-35 demo is still strong, and it's 2nd place among shows that are TiVo/DVRed. That means they're still solid with their base audience, and with great finale they could generate some serious heat going into next year.Plus, regarding the Finale, I caught Evangeline Lilly on Kimmel the other night, and she was really really excited about the finale. She had admitted that if she wasn't on the show, she probably wouldn't watch it (due to the fact that she's not a TV watcher by nature). However, when the directors revealed to her the finale, she got goosebumps all over it. Sweet.

[Monahan]

...Evangeline Lilly... when the directors revealed to her the finale, she got goosebumps all over it.

How does one get a job as a goosebump? Because I'd like that job very much.

[zartan]

Maybe he was, along with the other hostiles. Do we really know how long DHARMA has been on that island? Maybe they were a part of the early stages the project, got fed up of living in that "gate community" and decided to rebel, cast themselves out and take revenge.

Good point. I don't think any of them are actual natives, that's for sure.

[pinoy3D]

I don't think Locke's going to die. I think they were all right when they said he really is special. Remember when his Dad bit his hand, and he had that nasty gash on his hand? When he took off his bandage, it was like nothing had happened to it.


>>Also, does anyone have any screen shots of the deadly gas canister that Ben used to kill his father??<<

[Mike McKeown]

Maybe he was, along with the other hostiles. Do we really know how long DHARMA has been on that island? Maybe they were a part of the early stages the project, got fed up of living in that "gate community" and decided to rebel, cast themselves out and take revenge.

Interesting. Perhaps the Hostiles were some of the people Dharma was originally doing their experiments on (i.e. Life Extension), and some stuff went wonky and Dharma cast them off to some other part of the island, kind of like an island of lepers. Maybe they were seen as unfit to live among the others in the barracks. Maybe they were part of "the sickness" and the sonic barrier was used to keep them out so they wouldn't infect everyone back at the barracks. But I also like to think the sonic fence was really set in place to keep the Dharma people IN (so people wouldn't escape, like Ben ultimately did).

[Sri_Casimir]

In order to wrap something up in my mind... When Desmond first landed on the island, he was taken up by the DI and was set to work pressing the button, amongst other activities. The Hostiles attacked while he was there, and he escaped on a boat, only to return later. Would his escape then be the time that Ben betrayed the DI?

Ah! Headache!!

[sammy]

I would like to add that nielsen has begun tracking timeshifted viewing (DVRs, et al). Lost gains a ton of viewers (2 - 3 million?) from that. But I'm sure the network would rather live eyes on the telly.

[Monahan]

In order to wrap something up in my mind... When Desmond first landed on the island, he was taken up by the DI and was set to work pressing the button, amongst other activities. The Hostiles attacked while he was there, and he escaped on a boat, only to return later. Would his escape then be the time that Ben betrayed the DI?

Ah! Headache!!

Desmond was taken in by the guy (Clancy Brown) who was already pushing the button, thinking initially that Desmond was his new partner. Desmond was in the hatch until the Lostaways blew the lid and entered. That's when Desmond fled and found his old boat and tried to sail away.

At no point have we been led to believe that Desmond has interacted with anyone other than that first guy from the hatch and the lostaways.

[zartan]

Whisper transcripts are up. Keep in mind that these interpretations are subjective.

1. Talk to him (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/01%20center1.mp3) (11.10)
2. Tell him that you're his mother (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/02%20center2.mp3) (12.1)
3. Tell him to be patient (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/03%20center3.mp3) (14.9)
4. That'll just make it worse (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/04%20center4.mp3) (16.29)
{Ben: Mom?} (20.1)
{Mom Vision: Ben Don't!} (27)
{Ben: Mom...} (33)
{Mom Vision: It's not time yet, Benjamin.} (34.5)

Front Right
full scene audio (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/youngben.FR.mp3)
1. What's happening (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/01%20right1.mp3)(11.19)
2. If we can go over there we might be able to see it, but I don't know (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/02%20right2.mp3) (11.75)
3. help us come through the fence (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/03%20right3.mp3) (13.7)
4. we're sending one, don't argue (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/04%20right4.mp3) ( 15.3)


Front Left
full scene audio (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/youngben.FL.mp3)
1. (..tell you) I'm glad you decided to see me/ to send me/to send him (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/01%20left1.mp3) (10)
2. Because I love him (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/02%20left2.mp3) (12.6)
3. That's right, that's what I mean/That's right, that's what I need (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/03%20left3.mp3) (13.15)
4. ____ (15.1)
5. Don't worry about it (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/05%20left5.mp3) (15.5)
6. You're the one .... (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/S3ep20/rt/06%20left6.mp3)(16.3)<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Sri_Casimir]

Desmond was taken in by the guy (Clancy Brown) who was already pushing the button, thinking initially that Desmond was his new partner. Desmond was in the hatch until the Lostaways blew the lid and entered. That's when Desmond fled and found his old boat and tried to sail away.

At no point have we been led to believe that Desmond has interacted with anyone other than that first guy from the hatch and the lostaways.


Whew! thanks for the clarefication!

[zartan]

Also, Desmond was only in the hatch for three years. The purge happened at least ten years before Desmond crash landed on the island.

[sammy]

I have to admit, I am dying of suspense for this week's episode and next week's finale.

argh!

so many spoilers to avoid!!!!

[Mike McKeown]

I'm with ya, Sammy. I haven't been reading any spoilers the past week or so. I really want this show to knock my socks off, so the less I know going in, the better.

[Admin]

I read a big spoiler about the finale that gave me pee shivers!

[Carr]

Steev,

Did you notice in the last episode the children ate a delicious Apollo candy bar?

If that isn't a ratings stunt, I don't know what is!


Erin

[Crescent]

just curious but what spoiler sites do you guys go to for Lost? I've been to a couple but am on a strict no spoiler diet until the finale. However my friend LOVES spioling so I would like to send him some links.

[Mike McKeown]

just curious but what spoiler sites do you guys go to for Lost? I've been to a couple but am on a strict no spoiler diet until the finale. However my friend LOVES spioling so I would like to send him some links.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/

I usually read this site...but I'm NOT reading it currently.

[aneg]

thats the site i read, and it is probably not wise to click on it right now. the rest of the season is lined up right on the first page. and its AWESOME!

btw, cres, he already knows about it.

[Frymire]

If the spoilers turn out to be right, the big twist that happens at the end of the finale is something I've been saying they should do this entire last season. (Of course, only my roommate can back me up on that.) It will certainly send the show in a new direction. Too bad to hear about Terry O'Quinn, though.

[sammy]

I gnash my teeth in frustration. All my favorite webboards are like: OMFG awesome spoilers! and Oh no, I shouldn't have read the spoilers but it's awesome!

goshdarnit

[sammy]

Bernard and Rose!

The Looking Glass Dharma logo?
A white rabbit.
Hilarious.

and damn if I didn't get a little verklempf from Charlie.

[pinoy3D]

Today's episode was nothing but build up! C'mon, I want to get the finale already! Predictable build up also. Kinda obvious that the Others were going to storm the camp early and that there would be people in the underwater hatch. I did like seeing Bernard and Rose again. And Charlie making his list was tugging at the heart strings a bit. The season finale, though, looks likes it's going to kick ass!!!

[sammy]

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

for the latest screenshots


definitely a bridge episode, but it did its job: I can't wait for the finale.

[Evan]

Charlie's list was tugging at the heartstrings. I honestly thought he was a goner, but then I guess that would have been too obvious. I wonder, in the past we saw Desmond's visions of Charlie getting it, but this time we didn't, so maybe Desmond was manipulating him to go down to the Lookingglass. But then I think that Desmond didn't know about that new station ahead of time so that won't work out. Still, I love that Charlie gets down there and finds some gone toting folks. Are they Others? Could they possibly be with the Portuguese rescuers - maybe they located something jamming their frequency so they went down there to check it out. I guess they don't look very Portguese. OK, I'm really sucking at coming up with Lost theories right now.

How nice to see Bernard and Rose again.

Ben seems like he's losing it. But to what end?

I still think Locke is alive.

Why did they drop in that Alex suddenly doesn't think Ben is her dad?

Whatever happens better be big enough for me to remember for nine months before we get the fourth season. If AI starts in January and Lost in February, what am I going to do for the next seven months?

Evan

[Admin]

I think the Alex moment hinted at the possibility that Rousseau spoke to her at some point. Or maybe not.

[Jordana]

Did Karl ever get a hint that maybe Ben isn't her dad? I can't remember if Kate or Sawyer ever mentioned this to him, but that's the feeling I got: Karl is suspicious, told Alex of his suspicions and now she's wondering.

God, I hope that they would show us Danielle & Alex's first contact! If it's already happened, we better see it in a flashback early next season. But, I don't think this has happened yet...

Last night was great - I should remember that Lost is smarter then I am, b/c I totally thought Charlie was going to die (even before I saw the episode, I was convinced - I should know better than to fall for the obvious bait!)

What's the significance of Claire not finding/leaving behind the ring Charlie left for Aaron?

[Frymire]

How nice to see Bernard and Rose again.



What do you want to bet that the only reason these characters were re-introduced at this point was so that at least one of them could be killed in the ensuing battle next week?

No, seriously, what to do want to bet? I'll put money on it.

[Admin]

I think there's no reason Desmond's prophecy can't still come true. Charlie hasn't flipped a yellow switch yet.

[zartan]

I really do think that both Bernard and Rose are going to eat dirt next week. They've been gone all season because they were annoyed that LOST had relegated them to background characters. This is their way to leave the show in a blaze of glory. It's a shame because we could have seen a great arc with them, but instead their only purpose was to show that the island can heal you.

I think Alex is confused about her Dad because Sayid made a comment about her Mom. She's probably been thinking about this a lot since then.

[JPanic]

There was no way Charlie could die in that episode - they spent so much time building up the fact that he felt he'd wasted his life that he has to do something hugely important before he dies.

Alex is probably wondering because Sayid told her she looked like her mother while he was chained to the swingset in the Others' barracks. She thought her mother was dead.
I imagine she's seen Ben do some pretty dishonest things and now doesn't trust him one bit.

[Sri_Casimir]

I can't shake the feeling that they are going to pull a "Final Destination" on Charlie sometime in the future... He'll "die" by drowning, but get revived via CPR. I fell in love with Charlie again because of that episode. It's nice to finally see him with some cajones!

As for Rose and Bernard, I hope they get killed off. I was excited to see them again as they were old favorites of mine. But since all they do is bicker annoyingly I wouldn't miss them if they were gone.

[guillaume]

Last night was such a set up episode it didn't get near the level of some of the recent episodes.

It was kind of lame that Jack would waste dynamite to blow up a tree just to show them he was planning on blowing the others up. I know its tv and you have to show not tell...but we are supposed to accept that...he says follow me...then shuts up for the whole walk and then blows up a tree just to explain a very simple plan? Everytime they handle the dynamite they run the risk of blowing themselves up like the teacher in S1...would he really waste time and dynamite just to put on a presentation. Also how much wire-ing was in that airplane. So far they have built 2 boats, about 40 lean to shacks using wire from the plane and the still have even more. Wow. Also they have had some very questionable transitions shot to shot from night time to daytime lately. Where is my suspension of disbelief? Damnit lost, why can't I just stop watching you?

[macarthur31]

Cool moment: Seeing Ben interrupt Alex's gutting of a rabbit (one of Ben's perhaps?) to put a gun in her bloody hands.

Good ep. I'm not on the Charlie hate-train as everyone else was, so I was genuinely moved to see him record his High Fidelityesque top 5 moments.

I did enjoy crazy Jack's monologue. No powerpoint, no problem.

[supes]

I can't shake the feeling that they are going to pull a "Final Destination" on Charlie sometime in the future... He'll "die" by drowning, but get revived via CPR.
You'll find next week's finale very interesting then, if the spoilers are correct.

[Manley]

Did Jack look different to anyone? He seemed stockier, and his hair was different. It was real subtle, but it was there. I wonder if they do subtle things to character's appearances to make us distrust them.....

[Carr]

Okay,

I may be totally wrong here, but what if the girl in the looking glass was that girl Annie who made the wood figurine for Ben? What if he hid her there before the purge, told everyone it was flooded so they wouldn't go there, and told her if anyone showed up that she should kill them? ? ?


Erin

[zartan]

There are two girls in the looking glass hatch. According to the castlist, they are named Greta and Bonnie. They look pretty young too. Wouldn't they have to be at least forty to be Ben's friend Annie?

[Carr]

Eh. Probably. I couldn't really see her face very well. I thought maybe she would look older in full light.

Just my theory.


Erin

[Admin]

Spoiler:

They're Mermaids.

[Evan]

My theory on the ladies in the underwater station: they are survivors from the helicopter crash. Didn't Naomi say that there were others (said in a foreign language that Mikhail understood, but then told Hurley et al she said something else)? Didn't Hurley et al see the helicopter crash when they were by the cable? So couldn't possibly these folks be survivors from the helicopter crash who were in the helicopter when it went in the ocean and got out of the helicopter and somehow ended up going to the underwater station to survive because they couldn't make it to the surface?

Evan

[Miss Mason]

My theory on the ladies in the underwater station: they are survivors from the helicopter crash. Didn't Naomi say that there were others (said in a foreign language that Mikhail understood, but then told Hurley et al she said something else)? Didn't Hurley et al see the helicopter crash when they were by the cable? So couldn't possibly these folks be survivors from the helicopter crash who were in the helicopter when it went in the ocean and got out of the helicopter and somehow ended up going to the underwater station to survive because they couldn't make it to the surface?

Evan

I like the cut'a yer jib, Evan. Clever.

[JPanic]

I just noticed that the name of the funeral home anagrams to something important.

[pinoy3D]

Now that's a finale!!! Although, maybe that might have revealed too much. Now that we know that Jack and Kate are "safe" and that they he feels like they made a mistake, I don't really care about anything else. Who was in the casket? Who made it off the island? All that stuff, I'm curious, but I don't really care. Unless there was some way of changing the future, but this ain't Heroes.

[JPanic]

Yeah, that was a truly amazing finale. I feel bad for people who've lost faith in the writers and their "too convoluted" plots. They're really missing out on some interesting characters, themes and relationships.

Charlie's death was just.....wow.

As for the flash forward, I'm hoping that's just a glimpse into a POSSIBLE future based on the decisions Jack makes while on the island. Either that, or Jack truly makes it off the island, hits a record low in life, and goes for mega-redemption.

[pinoy3D]

I wanted to yell out to Desmond and tell him that it was Penelope.

[JPanic]

I think he knew - he shouted out her name.
That's why Charlie locked him out.

[zartan]

The funeral home anagrams to spell "Flash Forward" by the way.

[Monahan]

For those interested, here's a cleaned up close-up of the obit that Jack was gripping:
http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg

Any characters have the last name of Lantham?

[Chip]

Looks like a "Jo..." Lantham. Maybe a "Ja...".

What a great finale, those sons of bitches.

-Chip

[Gentrup]

I was thinking it was Sawyer in the coffin. No friends, no family.

But if that's the case, then who was Kate going home to?

I was very happy to see Hurley come through and kick some ass.

And Sawyer called Jabba "Hugo!" After he called Freckles "Kate!"

Does this mean that the nicknames are gone forever? How the hell am I going to know who he's talking about if he starts calling everyone their real names?

And I knew Mr. Friendly was dead the minute Sawyer got a gun. Shot him, took Walt? The real fake Sawyer dead. Zeke dead. It's been a banner week for James Ford!

[Griggs]

Wow.

How's that for a finale!

I've been frustrated and annoyed by the writers, but they really came through last night. So great.

So, next year, we get to watch Jack and Kate try to get back on the island. That'll be cool.

I guess we're left to wonder who's still there, right? We know Locke is still there. And Russou. And probably, most of the Others. Desmond? Was he left underwater? Sayid, Jin, Juliet, Sawyer and Hurley? Did they get to the other side?

It'll be interesting to see where the series goes now.

[Dave Ries]

Definitely fantastic!

And they still left so many things unanswered! I want more already.

Hurley blasting through the beach in the beat up van totally took me by surprise. I think I even cheered a little.

Lost Finale...you destroyed the Heroes Finale.

[Mike McKeown]

Awesome finale!

The whole sequence with Hurley rescuing them and Sawyer killing Tom was fantastic. The Hurley "down and out" character was set up and paid off so perfectly. My girlfriend brought up an interesting point...are the Losties becoming more violent than the Others? Clearly, some of their killing is motivated by their need for survival, but it's something interesting to keep track of as the series progresses.

So, they get rescued. But Jack keeps taking flights and has tons of maps and mapping instruments in his apartment. It seems that, despite getting rescued, he STILL doesn't really know where the island is. So then, HOW did they get rescued.

In the obituary, it looks like the first name starts with a "J". John? Jacob? Jack? It also says "New York".

Is Penny Widmore just constantly hanging out in that station waiting for a transmission? Crazy. I think everyone was individually screaming at their TV when Desmond was running towards the room and caught a glimpse of Penny. Also, the fact that she was having a real-time conversation with Charlie clears up a few "space-time continuum" questions.

If it's truly not Penny's boat, what are Naomi and her crew really searching for? Not flight 815 (because she said they all dies). She recognized Desmond, so their mission seems related to him, but not the same as Penny's efforts to find the island. Is Charles Widmore involved???

[supes]

I loved the finale, too. Really satisfying. So what will next season look like? I can see it going two ways:

1) We see present-day Jack and Kate trying to return to the island, with the "Flashbacks" showing us what happened after they called for help. I don't think this is likely, though.

2) We see the characters on the island in the aftermath of the call for help. Keep in mind that there were TWO calls for help. The "rescue" party from the boat will probably show up first, but they're probably the bad guys. I guess that they're wont be very many of them, since they aren't really planning a rescue. Dharma thugs, maybe? Trying to kill everyone to keep the island a secret?

Penelope's crew will probably show up just in time to save the day, and then we'll have a long battle to see who makes it off the island alive. Jack and Kate, of course, but someone important (or many people) will be left behind, leading to Jack's insistence that he and Kate "go back to the island".

[speedymarie]

Penelope's crew will probably show up just in time to save the day, and then we'll have a long battle to see who makes it off the island alive. Jack and Kate, of course, but someone important (or many people) will be left behind, leading to Jack's insistence that he and Kate "go back to the island".
I don't know about this. Penny didn't know where they were. She seemed like she was in an office somewhere (she was wearing a suit).

Also, I think the reason Jack wanted to go back was that he felt important, like he had a purpose. I think back in the real world, his sense of purpose and leadership evaporated, and he didn't know who he was anymore. I don't think it was so much that there were people left behind.

Also - Sayid snapping that dude's neck with his legs?? awesome. if i was stuck on that island (let's be honest, women's lib starts to go out the window in such a situation), I know which guy I'd attach myself to.

[yurwitz]

I absolutely loved all the on-the-island stuff, but the flash forward is really bothering me.

First, he keeps making reference to his father like he's alive (or was it a different doctor that he said would be more drunk than him?).

Second, where do you go from here? What did we really learn - there is someone whose death elicits a suicidal response from Jack, and nobody else cares for him/her to show up at the funeral, or even want to (Kate's response). We also learn that Jack is troubled after the rescue, and that he doesn't have a happy ending (no Kate or Juliet happily-ever-after). We learn Kate isn't in jail for the murder charges. I just think the resolution will be hard to justify all of the above. Plus, I'm really hating Jack now. Maybe that's why I didn't like it.

Hurley, Sawyer, Locke and even Charlie - just awesome.

[Chip]

Now knowing that we were seeing a flash forward and not a flash back, did anyone else catch the fact that Jack referred a couple times to his dad as if he's alive?

The first time was when he tried to get the prescription filled, I think Jack said his dad was out of town. The second time was talking to the chief of medicine, when he said to get his dad in and see that he's drunker than Jack.

WTF?!?

-Chip

Edit: Yup, Yurwitz noticed it in the post before mine.

[Evan]

I loved the finale. Things I specifically loved:

1. Walt! I know he's probably the smoke monster and he looks like he's aged a few years in a mere handful of weeks, but it was just awesome when he showed up.

2. Sawyer shooting Zeke. It makes me feel horrible saying that, but it was one of those definite moments in Lost where you know exactly what just happened and there is no ambiguity about it.

3. Charlie's farewell. He's a hero. The whole drama in the underwater station was great, even if I am getting a little tired of Mikhail surviving all the time.

4. Seeing Penelope and learning Naomi is not affiliated with her. Now, there's a lot of splaining to do as to why Naomi had that photo and seemed intent on finding Desmond, but it is always cool to see Penelope.

5. The flash forward. I figured it was a flash forward when I saw Jack's cell phone. That phone was not around back in late 2004. It will be fun to speculate how the show unfolds from here, but it was a great Lost example where the answer (do they get off the island?) leads to way too many questions to even try and list. As for referring to his dad, I think he's just crazy. No one else referred to his dad and the chief of surgery guy looked at him with a great deal of pity when he brought up his dad.

6. Hurley saving the day. I did not see that coming. And Sayid with the brutal neck snapping. Again, I feel bad saying that. There was a lot of death and violence in this episode, but I can't help enjoying it.

7. Alex being off-handedly introduced to her mother. And her mother's first words to her are something like "let's tie him up." Weird, but I'm-loving-it-weird.

8. Kate with make-up! She looked weird, I think because she smoothed over all her freckles.

9. Ben completely and totally miscalculating everything. For someone who always was in control and pushing people's buttons, he completely blew it with Jack. I guess he didn't count on Jack being so crazy. The flash forward shows Jack off the deep end, and I think it was in evidence in how he was beating up Ben. I think Ben is the guy in the coffin. I didn't look at the screen captures of the obit, but that would all just be a red herring anyway - names can change. I think the way Jack said the he wasn't friend or family and how Kate reacted to Jack's suggestion that they go to the funeral was appropriate for Ben. As for Jack being so distraught over the death, I think it is because Ben is a link to the island and all his messed up feelings about ignoring Ben to get off the island.

I feel like I should have a tenth to make it a top ten, but I'll just leave it at that. Only eight months until next February!

Evan

[Landmine]

I figured out the flash forward when the guy at the pharmacy said that Jack had been a hero twice.

I thought the episode was totally awesomesauce. I was scared that Hurley was gonna eat it though. (pun totally intended)

[Biddle]

These are the times that I said, "OH SHIT!" outloud whilst watching the season finale...

-Locke waking up. (I knew it was coming, but I honestly forgot about him.)

-Walt at the pit.

-Naomi catches a knife in the back.

-Jack saying, "Tom, I'm getting my people rescued. All of them. And after that, I am coming back there to kill you." (I believed him.)

-Hurley's Hit and Run.

- Jack, drunk, on the plane. (That's when I knew that it was a Flash Forward.)

I have got to say that these guys know how to handle a season finale. All three of them have been killer, answering some questions and presenting more of them.

(I also had a moment last night, when Charlie was tied up in The Looking Glass station, when I thought back to season 1 and was thinking, "How the hell did we end up here? In an underwater station? Turning off jamming equipment? Fighting these new strange people? Maybe getting rescued?" It was just a million miles away from "A Plane Just Crashed On A Beach. How Will These People Survive?")

[Chip]

You know, I noticed the cell phone was a newer one, and tried to think back to when they were first introduced, and then I got distracted and forgot about it. Good catch!

[Miss Mason]

Perhaps the time space continuum is still an issue? If Jack's father is still alive, or perhaps conjured from the metaphorical black box in the island's temple, then maybe their futures were changed?

If it's not Penny's boat then whose is it. And how did Ben know they were "bad"?

[Monkey Girl]

Two words: Golden ticket.

So Jack and Kate got Golden Tickets from Oceanic. As reward? As compensation? This brings up so many questions for me. One being:

The crash must have been explained somehow, since the airline gave them the unlimited tickets. How? How do they explain the 'original' story of Flight 815 being found with no survivors? Unless Naomi was totally bullshitting about that! Who the eff does she work for?!? Its killing me!

We only see Kate and Jack in the flashforward. I wonder if anyone else got off the island.

Also, did Mikhail still have the grenade in his hand when it exploded? Or did he have time to swim away?


Also, I have a little theory about Jack and him referring to his father - Maybe part of the 'deal' of letting them off the island, is they have their memories erased. So everything about Jack's father's death is unknown to him. But this theory is a little dumb because people would tell him about it eventually. So... uh... yeah. Nevermind.

[Rance Rizzutto]

I love that the Others rely so heavily on psychologically manipulating the Crashers (tm), but the Crashers have gone a little more primal...a little more from the gut. Also, they feel like they're so close to being rescued that if a few get sacrificed (Charlie, or the three dynamite shooters) it is honorable.

I loved seeing Ben's cocky idea blow up in hit face...on multiple levels. Locke is going to be the new Ben. Ben is losing trust fast as each of his clever lies surfaces. "You said the Looking glass was flooded." "I lied...uhh...Jacob said to do it."

[Griggs]

I agree, Rance. I think Locke takes over for Ben. Albeit, a much more compassionate, less evil leader.

I think Ben was in the coffin last night. Once he's off the island, his medical condition(s) probably degenerated.

[JPanic]

Perhaps the time space continuum is still an issue? If Jack's father is still alive, or perhaps conjured from the metaphorical black box in the island's temple, then maybe their futures were changed?

If it's not Penny's boat then whose is it. And how did Ben know they were "bad"?

I think Jack's references to his father weren't supposed to indicate he's still alive. I think they were just supposed to keep the audience thinking it was really a flashback by mentioning him so often.

He referred to his father at the pharmacy and mentioned he was "out of town", but I'm pretty sure Jack was just trying to forge his dead father's name on some scrips.
He also referred to his father at the hospital with the "bring my father down here and fire me if I'm drunker than him" line....but I think that was just Jack denying he was turning into his father. I'm pretty sure Jack and everyone else knew he's been dead. Also, Jack was kinda on the verge of crazy.

Plus, I think Jack's father was chief of surgery - somebody else was chief of surgery in the flash forwards.

[speedymarie]

Plus, I think Jack's father was chief of surgery - somebody else was chief of surgery in the flash forwards.
Good call - the guy mentioned that he was new, too. In the Lost world, Jack's dad has been dead less than two months, so this would make sense.

I don't think it's a parallel universe or anything, Jack's just off his rocker a little.

[chrismcavoy]

Greatest show-shift ever. I'm so glad they did this shit man...the show was seriously in danger of being really stale. This off-island thing is going to be great.

I'm really happy about that finale.

Chris

[DiMarco]

I agree, Rance. I think Locke takes over for Ben. Albeit, a much more compassionate, less evil leader.

I think Ben was in the coffin last night. Once he's off the island, his medical condition(s) probably degenerated.

I agree with Ben in the coffin and Locke taking over. I disagree with Locke being less evil.

Locke threw a knife into a chick's back (a chick he hadn't even met) in order to keep them on the island. That seems more evil to me. He exploded the submarine when Ben was going to let people go. Could that be one of the reasons Jack needs to go back? To rescue people from the evil Locke?

Also, not that this means anything, but in the "present" Oceanic Air is/was forced to close up shop due to Flight 815 (their website even says so...) and yet in the flash forward, Oceanic Air is back in business.

I have absolutely no idea what that means, probably nothing as Lost seems to have given up on the whole "Lost Experience" interwebs side of things, but I wanted to throw it out there.

[Stephen K]

But if that's the case, then who was Kate going home to?

We learn Kate isn't in jail for the murder charges.

Someone who called into a radio show I was listening to suggested that Kate might be on probation and under surveillance, and that's the reason she's so anxious about getting home. The "he" could be her probation officer.

Jack's just off his rocker a little.

And, addicted to Oxycodone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxycodone).